Tiffany (00:01)
Hello, Kat. Hello, Tiffany. It's been a minute.

Kat (00:02)
Hello Tiffany.

It has, welcome back. Thank you. Yeah, we were both talking about how we had to reconnect all of our hardware to our permissions on the Riverside app here.

Tiffany (00:06)
Yeah, you too. I think it's been like two months, which

Yeah, all of our microphones were messed up. Just like

Kat (00:20)
Yeah. They probably still are. We'll find it out in post, but like

shoot, I was recording through my webcam that whole time. That's why it sounds like I was in a tin can. But yeah. Mm hmm. Nope. You're getting what you get, folks.

Tiffany (00:26)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That'll be great. But we're not re re recording, so everyone's gonna have to feel it.

Okay, well I'm starting off with some pretty sad statistics.

Kat (00:44)
Wow. Okay.

Tiffany (00:45)
I know.

But it's gonna be okay. I just wanna know that I want everyone to know that we'll end on some hope. But basically this is season ten.

Kat (00:55)
Jeez.

Where do they go, the seasons? I know, it's wild.

Tiffany (00:58)
That's insane. That's so crazy. and we had the idea to do sort of some of it is sort of re-looking at like getting your hands dirty outside. I wanted to kind of look at more in depth at some things, re examine some things and yeah, just kind of look at some outdoor stuff that we haven't looked at yet since it's

Kat (01:22)
Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (01:23)
'Tis the season of being outside.

Kat (01:24)
Yeah.

This is our "touch grass" season.

Tiffany (01:28)
Yes, I love it. And also, I think did I mention that I'm I am definitely officially I've started a business, a sustainable landscape design business. So I've learned a lot. Actually I'm doing a certificate, so I have like all this stuff I'm trying to take notes. I'm like, my god, I need to share this with the podcast listeners. Yeah.

Kat (01:51)
It's I'm s it's perfect. We're gonna have this is well, tell everybody the name of your company.

Tiffany (01:58)
Yeah, it's called I don't know if I shared it aside from Patreon, but it's called Replant the Suburbs. Current well it's Replant the Suburbs Design 'cause I'm only doing design, but I do have a plan to take it make it bigger and make it like a a movement. That's what I want. So that's all, you know, no big deal.

Kat (02:01)
No.

Yeah, yeah. I love it.

She's coming to Texas 2027.

Tiffany (02:19)
Yes. Starting in Maryland, but yeah, so I'm doing a permaculture design certificate, which if you don't know what permaculture is, I didn't either, and now I kinda do, so I'm still learning. But it's basically sustainable agriculture is the way to say it. So it's all cool stuff and I'm learning so much. So I'm hoping to be able to bring some of that knowledge to this season.

Kat (02:22)
Yes.

And wait.

Tiffany (02:47)
And plus all of your knowledge that you've racked up over the years, so You have.

Kat (02:50)
⁓ clearly.

Well

I know some, but not not like that. I don't know. I could be like, yeah, that thing didn't work.

Tiffany (03:00)
Yeah, which is helpful. That's half my knowledge too. It's just like, oops, killed that plant.

Kat (03:02)
Yeah. Yeah, it's like I burn I

burn it down. Yeah, god, so many stories. Okay, yes. I can't keep succulents alive, so that tells you something. We care too much. We're too we care too much. Yeah. Or I take it too literally when people are like, well don't water and then I don't. I'm like, why did it die? Like, well you're supposed to water it once a month. I'm like, You said don't water it.

Tiffany (03:08)
Yes. No, me neither. I don't know why. Why is it so hard? We care too much? maybe. Maybe.

Yeah.

Two years later. Why is it brown? I don't ever see it.

Kat (03:29)
I don't understand why it dried up

and died. Okay. Yeah.

Tiffany (03:33)
Yes, I'm the same way. Yeah.

So funny. ⁓ alright, so depressing statistics first, but I promise we won't end depressing. So

Over two million habitat acres are lost annually to development and agriculture. Two million. Yeah. It's not fun. a really interesting book I'm reading, which I recommend for everybody. I'm gonna hold it up because it's right next to me. It's called Bringing Nature Home, How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants by Doug Douglas W. Talany. I use this as a source for this episode. I

Highly recommend it, but from his book he says a really sort of mind blowing thing, only fifteen percent of the Amazonian basin has been logged, whereas well over seventy percent of the forests along the US eastern seaboard are gone. And he asked, Why doesn't the media cover that?

Kat (04:35)
Right.

Tiffany (04:37)
And I have to ask the same damn question, right?

Kat (04:39)
it's

'cause it's look over there, look over there. Look at the bad things they're doing. Yeah.

Tiffany (04:43)
Yes, yes,

and never looking at home. So frustrating. ⁓ so landscape equ ecologists agree that between this is also from his book, that between three to five percent of US land remains undisturbed wildlife habitat. Three to five percent.

Kat (04:47)
Right. Yep.

That's not a lot.

That's like nothing.

Tiffany (05:05)
It's not enough. She ain't enough. Okay, so because of that, we all need to be doing our damnedest to recreate wild spaces, even if we think we have very little space to work with. Today we're gonna be talking about we're gonna start talking about container gardens and how you can add pollinator-friendly natives even if you only have a balcony or a patio or a very small space, windowsill.

Kat (05:07)
No.

Nice. Mm-hmm.

Tiffany (05:33)
And then we're gonna expand into public spaces that you likely have more power over than you might think.

Kat (05:40)
Ooh.

Tiffany (05:42)
Welcome to Greeting Up Mayac.

All right, cool.

Kat (05:59)
Woo. Miss that music.

Tiffany (06:02)
I know. So happy.

It's funny 'cause I use the old format and we have this like template format and it's like, What who are we? We're both marketers. wait.

Kat (06:11)
Mm.

Not anymore, I know. The copy paste.

Tiffany (06:16)
Yeah. So who are we now? I sorta talked about myself. Who are you? Who are you, cat?

Kat (06:22)
Yeah, well we're p we're

⁓ nerds ⁓ with writing backgrounds who also have marketing backgrounds and are interested in

Tiffany (06:26)
Mm-hmm.

Yes. Mm-hmm.

Kat (06:35)
Making the earth a better place in ⁓ in ways that y a normal person quote unquote normal. Normal is a setting on your dryer, but you know, the almost anyone can achieve. Yeah. You don't have to be a cabillionaire or an influential person or own a house or yes. Yeah. Definitely don't need to be influencers. Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (06:39)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Totally.

Or an influencer. You definitely don't need to be an influencer.

Kat (07:04)
So yeah, we're interested in like the everyday well, and just kind of learning about the world and we're naturally curious people and our friends are naturally curious and I think our listeners are naturally curious, but like what can you actually do that actually matters? So

Tiffany (07:19)
Mm. And how

much of it that is sort of thrown in your face is green hooey?

Kat (07:24)
Yes. Or look over there, don't look over here, you know, like we're saying. Like if the US can claim that other countries are really just bad polluters and idiots, you know, it's like, no, we're the bad polluting idiots. Cool, cool, thanks. Yeah.

Tiffany (07:28)
Mm. Yeah.

Yeah. Ugh. It's so su puts such a bad taste in your mouth. Which is why maybe the media doesn't talk about it, but we should. ⁓

Kat (07:43)
Yeah.

I I get it. Yeah.

I it's just I was thinking

that when you said that like we were raised I don't know, in in kindergarten, like global warming is it's 'cause they're destroying the Amazonian rainforests and nobody's like, No, they're destroying the Appalachian wilderness and the Pacific Northwest and the you know, like didn't talk about that.

Tiffany (08:02)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Or like bringing in exotic plants from Asia and bringing in like the chestnut blight to completely eradicate chestnut trees from the east eastern part of the United States.

Kat (08:19)
Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. That's what that

that book, The Overstory, starts off with is that's still a book. You do need to be the overstory. You do. Yeah. That's how I ingest facts is by reading fiction.

Tiffany (08:29)
⁓ I need to read that one.

⁓

yeah. I love that. Yeah, so here we are, fur feet firmly planted in the United States, looking at our situation and how we can help in our own small way. In bigger ways, actually.

Kat (08:49)
Yep. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Yes,

we have covered we do cover bigger ways, for sure.

Tiffany (08:57)
Yeah, totally. ⁓ so I didn't have very many sources today because I found just such good ones. ⁓ but and some of it's sort of from my own brain, but mostly it was from mostly it was from National Wildlife Federation. They had a really good article about container gardening with native plants. So they were like, Yeah, top notch. I didn't really need much beyond them. And then the book Bringing Nature Home, How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants.

Kat (09:07)
Yeah.

Nice.

Tiffany (09:24)
⁓ I put a link to it if anybody's interested. It is an affiliate link. Ugh, I don't know how I feel about Amazon affiliate links anymore, but I think we have like ten cents racked up, yeah.

Kat (09:31)
I don't we haven't even looked it to see if anybody's bought anything off our fill but it is yeah. ⁓ yeah, probably. We're

like, Woohoo, somebody bought well dryer balls five years ago. But yeah.

Tiffany (09:39)
Right,

yeah. It doesn't really cost it doesn't cost you anything extra, but it is Amazon. So, you know, there's a it's it's a struggle, but anyway, we'll f figure out how we feel about that one day. ⁓ I also funny enough I use Wikipedia, which sounds like such a lame source.

Kat (09:44)
Yeah. Yeah.

You're not supposed to use Wikipedia, but

they're actually so much better than I don't know. Yeah.

Tiffany (10:01)
Sometimes you're like

I feel like Wikipedia's sadly become more trustworthy than a lot of like Google searches because Google searches are from freaking AI. So it's like Wikipedia actually people are checking the sources and making sure it's accurate. So sadly, this is the state of the world. But I just use them for a definition. I wasn't like using them for much, but I also they do

Kat (10:10)
a hundred percent. Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah. They usually h list good resources too though. Like for I

mean

Tiffany (10:31)
Yeah, totally. And they have like really interesting climate stuff actually, like charts and stuff. I also referenced our Bee Hotels episode. So I linked it. It was back in yeah, it was back in April twenty twenty four I think. So if you want to go back and listen to that Yeah. Whoa. That's nuts. And then I looked at Home Depot for some pricing.

Kat (10:35)
Yeah, yeah.

⁓ look at that

Like two years ago. Yeah. That's crazy.

Tiffany (10:57)
So ⁓ what are we talking about today? This is how we like to start. Numero uno, meat and potatoes of our episode. What are we talking about? We're talking about container gardening, which is basically adding containers to windowsills, patios, balconies, rooftops, wherever you can find space. If you have a limited amount of space, you could add

Kat (10:57)
Okay, fair.

Tiffany (11:25)
potentially a container there with some pollinator friendly plants or bird friendly plants. I actually had a friend when I lived in DC that asked their apartment complex if they could plant in containers on the rooftop and it worked. ⁓ that's awesome. I know. I was never that brave, but I mean you can always ask like ⁓ but it's hard it's hard to ask.

Kat (11:40)
that's awesome.

Yeah. Or, you know,

beg forgiveness rather than ask for permission in some cases.

Tiffany (11:53)
Yes.

Actually maybe that is what she did now that I think about it. Yeah, it may have been more of a just do it and then pretend you'd

Kat (12:01)
Yeah, and like, hey by the way, I've got this

beautiful garden upstairs. Is that cool? They're like, ⁓ no. Yeah, yeah.

Tiffany (12:05)
Yes. Yes.

Yeah, and one of my teachers in my certificate actually planted on her roof, like her house's roof. And it's a flat roof and she lives in Oregon, I think. But she had like a whole frickin' garden sitting space up there. I mean obviously you have to check with your house construction and the structure, but yeah, it's like there's more space than we think and yeah, there's a lot that needs to be done, so I had

Kat (12:24)
Yeah.

Tiffany (12:38)
My I actually got into gardening when I was in DC and I had this like probably two by two plot of dirt and I planted actually I grew a bunch of tomatoes and a bunch of herbs in that little little section. So I'm not talking so a lot of container gardening sources are talking about like, ooh, you can plant a lot of different things. I'm specifically talking about pollinator and bird friendly plants.

Kat (12:44)
Yeah.

Tiffany (13:04)
It can be hard to figure out what's native to your area.

are ways to figure out what's native in your area. Or books. There are tons of books. I found one on the northeast that's

Kat (13:13)
Yeah. My mom

sent me a book of central Texas native plants, yeah.

Tiffany (13:17)
yeah.

that's awesome. Yeah. There's a bunch of different oops, a bunch of different like regional books.

Kat (13:25)
You know the other way that I find out what's just native? Just leave a pot out in my backyard and see what grows in it. Although that's not always but we do have some accidental rewilding happening in the plant the Yeah. And I ca actually I don't know if those plants are native or not, but they're definitely things that grow here. So they just take over your pots. Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (13:27)
Mm-hmm.

Do you?

Right. They're happy. They're thriving.

Yeah, it could be it's hard to say anymore, 'cause everything's so intermixed. It could just be a damn invasive that like is taken root. Right. Yeah. But ⁓ one really helpful ⁓ resources ⁓ plantnet, the app. There's a there's a there's one called iNaturalist also, but you can kinda like take just take a picture and it gives you a general idea of

Kat (13:52)
Yeah. Yeah. Whatever grass seed yeah. But yeah.

yes, yeah.

Tiffany (14:14)
What's what? It's not perfect. I actually got god, I'm just like book sharing this whole time, but I got this other this is Northeast specifically, but it's Newcombe's Wildflower Guide. Very cool.

Kat (14:21)
Yeah.

⁓ cool.

Tiffany (14:29)
Okay. So

Hear a child in the background.

Kat (14:32)
I do also.

Tiffany (14:34)
Okay.

Kat (14:35)
I've had a I've

had a boyfriend talking outside the door while he's making dinner too, so we have various background noise. So far, yes. Still podcasting out of our house. This is fine. It's fine. Yeah.

Tiffany (14:39)
Okay. Ten seasons in. We're still still having figured it out. Yeah, we're not in studios.

So

In this whole like container gardening, native planting conversation, what eco-friendly claims are they making? We like to look at and this actually I meant to mention this season might be a little bit less product focused than before than like Yeah, yeah.

Kat (15:01)
Yes.

Yeah, so it's probably not gonna be as much greenwashing, right? Like

Well what eco friendly claims are is container b pot planting okay. Talk cat. Yeah.

Tiffany (15:18)
Well they'd make a lot, actually.

the problem is they're all true. They're all true. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's just fact, scientific fact. Yeah. So basically there's a bunch, but I wanted to focus on one specifically, and that mostly because of what I've been reading and it's on my mind, but that insects matter.

Kat (15:22)
Yeah, that's the thing. It's not claims, it's truth. Yeah. So what are the benefits of container

Yes. I think this whole season should be about bugs. I mean that's basically what it looks like we're talking about at some point. Yeah.

Tiffany (15:47)
Yeah.

I know. Because it's so scary where we're at right now. yeah, we are gonna talk a lot about bugs later in the season and we'll get into why they matter exactly, but just trust us for now. Because they do. They matter. And their habitat, like I mentioned in the opening, their aka their food source is disappearing. So bugs are disappearing.

Kat (16:02)
Yeah.

Tiffany (16:13)
There's a thing called the windshield phenomenon, have you heard?

Kat (16:16)
I know it. I have seen it first hand. I have noticed it when I drive. Sure, it's the if you haven't noticed over the past twenty years, if you drive go on a road trip through the countryside, it used to be twenty years ago you had to stop every, you know, hour and clean off your windshield 'cause it was covered in bugs. That is not true anymore. And I have noticed that just in driving from f between Albuquerque and and Austin here, like

Tiffany (16:19)
Right? Do you wanna explain what it is?

Kat (16:45)
Yeah, my car is not dirty from bugs the way that it used to be. That's because they're not there anymore.

Tiffany (16:49)
Yes. Yep.

Yeah. It's very scary. Because we we will get into why. It's scary, but basically we need bugs. Or else our ecosystem will not survive. So yeah, so that's where we're at. native plants help feed local ecologically essential insects and birds.

This guy in the Bringing Nature Home book basically pulled together a bunch of studies that showed that bugs do not eat invasives or exotic plants. They just don't like it. Yeah. So unless I evolved with along with the plant, they're not gonna eat it, aka they have way less food, so they're dying. Hello dog.

Kat (17:27)
It makes sense. Why would they? Yeah.

Yeah.

Tiffany (17:43)
I love bugs that's what he was saying.

Kat (17:43)
yeah, there Archie heard us talking about it. Yeah. Archie just had to make his self Sorry. Yeah, he's like we ⁓ Pollinators. Bork.

Tiffany (17:53)
and these are native insects. I mean we obviously have invasive insects, whatever, but if you go back and listen to our Yeah Ugh. Do you guys have those there? ⁓ okay. Sadly they're

Kat (17:58)
Spotted lantern fly. ⁓

No, not yet. But we have a

some hornworm that's really terrifying. Yeah. Yay. Yep.

Tiffany (18:08)
⁓ Great. Love it.

you can go back and listen to our Bee Hotel episode if you're curious about what makes a bee native, quote unquote. ⁓ that's from April twenty twenty four. And linked. I linked it. I feel so accomplished, but ⁓ so us planning more food for insects can only help, even if it's in a small space, even if it's not a five ac five acre meadow, it doesn't matter.

Everything helps. So I thought this was a good place to take a break. And then we will after we get back we will talk about how to do container gardening, tips and tricks.

Kat (18:43)
Perfect.

Tiffany (19:03)
Okay,

Okay, so we kinda asked like, is this something a normal person could do or afford as a container garden? So I wanted to look into like prices and what kinds of plants you can use. So your best bet is to choose a large and a deep container. And that means it's gonna be a little bit more expensive, unfortunately. ⁓ you can potentially find them on like Facebook Marketplace or Buy Nothing. Yeah.

Kat (19:25)
Yeah.

Yeah, th your buy nothing group. Yeah. People give those

things away a lot. Best time.

Tiffany (19:35)
Yeah, they do tend to

get snatched up early.

Kat (19:38)
Yeah, but like moving season. So like school just got out here. Graduation is happening. That's a good time to scout 'cause people people move their lives when their kids graduate too. So rich neighborhoods, I would say, go drive around those on like the end of the month when people are moving out, kind of stuff. Yeah.

Tiffany (19:51)
Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

Just go knock on the door. Hey you gonna use that? Yes. Yes.

Kat (20:02)
Just anything on the curb, man. Fair game, that's what I say.

But yeah, or like apartment complexes, you know, when at the end of the month people are moving out. Sometimes they just can't get rid of stuff, so you can find pots and stuff. Not as often as like, you know, bedbug ridden mattresses say. But yeah.

Tiffany (20:08)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

So ceramic and terracotta will allow water to evaporate better. So those are good in like a wet climate, but if you're in a hot or a dry climate. This says recycled plastic or metal containers are better to prevent water loss. They're also more white late. White late I'm not drunk. What lightweight ⁓ lightweight. No, I know, it's so funny. if you need to like move them around on your balcony, then

Kat (20:40)
Yes. No. Maybe we should be. Yeah. Lightweight. Lightweight. We just haven't done this in a couple of months, yeah, so

Tiffany (20:50)
They're a little bit they're not as heavy, basically.

Kat (20:52)
Yeah.

You know what Sean and I don't know if you have this, but Sean bought a bunch of grow bags.

Tiffany (20:58)
yeah, I was actually gonna yeah, that wasn't here, but I was I I know of them and I feel like I know people who like grow potatoes in them.

Kat (21:01)
Okay.

Yeah, Sean's growing all of his tomato plants this year. 'Cause they're they're more permeable and they have handles you can pick up, but they get heavy. But yeah, they're they're kinda great. Although the roots can grow out of them. We just found one of the tomatoes he went to move it and it had like grabbed onto the earth underneath it. And I like, Maybe you should have just planted it in the earth there, but yeah.

Tiffany (21:10)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

It's like I wanna be here. Yeah, I think that is a good option for like yeah, even just like testing it out, like learning if it works, how how to grow. I think those are those are really good. And they're you can usually reuse them over and over, so

Kat (21:30)
I love your soil.

a hundred

percent. Yeah, that's the other thing. He was really excited to reuse him.

Tiffany (21:50)
Yeah, that's awesome. My brother-in-law has a bunch of those. so for extra wildlife benefit, you can plant multi-season blooms. So things that flower in the spring, in the summer, and the fall, which is a little bit trickier. You have to do some planning, but it's it's doable. so I tried to plant this wasn't I wouldn't call this container gardening, but it was like I put some plants, they were asters.

Kat (22:06)
Yeah.

Tiffany (22:17)
which are perennials, so they should be coming back. They died. I put them in big, like pretty big pots, and I think I'll explain what I think I did wrong, but I think I did everything wrong. It can be a little bit trickier to have stuff that comes back and make sure that it lives because the ground kinda stays warmer than a pot does. So it's gonna free, you know. But there's a couple tricks that I didn't try that you guys could try.

Kat (22:37)
Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (22:45)
wanna try native plants that can withstand at least two hardiness zones colder than your zone. So there's like the USDA has hardiness zones. and then it's each plant'll say like a zone four to seven or whatever, or four to eight, and then if it's if it can withstand two

Kat (22:44)
Yeah.

⁓ interesting. Okay.

Yeah, so goes from like one to ten. Ten is hot, hot, hot. One is cold, cold, cold. So one would be like northern Alaska and ten would be like southern Florida, kinda. So you want something like if you live in a ten zone, you want something that can withstand at least an eight, is what you're saying. So I'm an eight. So I would want something in that would at least stand a six. I just actually got upgraded to eight, like last year. We were a seven and we got upgraded to eight. Welcome, climate change. Yeah.

Tiffany (23:09)
Yeah.

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Yes, exactly.

Right.

That's crazy.

god. Awesome. ⁓

Kat (23:38)
So yeah. So yeah.

But yeah, that means like we can it used to be, you know, stuff in a five range, but now it's a s it's a six. I still would be okay, 'cause we do have freezes randomly, so sometimes a five range might be better too. But the thing with container potting is you can bring them indoors when it freezes. Although that's

Tiffany (23:51)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Yes. You can.

I've never done that. My aunt does it all the time though. Yeah.

Kat (24:05)
I do it with my non my non native ones. Or like

some of Yeah, if they're not in the ground and they could could freeze. I have amaryllis that I put outside in the summer and then in the winter I bring it in and it's not native, but

Tiffany (24:15)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, my aunt does that with her a bunch of her plants. 'Cause she has a big sunroom, but

Kat (24:28)
are we just the dining room table is just decked out with put a towel down. Yeah, it's pretty it's like it's like those old movies when it like got below freezing and they had to bring all the sheep into the living room or something, you know? There's like a cow here and a sheep here and all my amarillas are on the table and so anyway, yeah.

Tiffany (24:32)
That's awesome. Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Yes. Yeah.

That's awesome. yeah, that's one way to do it. It doesn't mean that you need to plant species that aren't native to your region. It just means that you have to look at the hardiness zones. but you can also move containers close to the house over winter, 'cause the building might give off some heat.

Kat (25:02)
Yeah, that helps too.

Yeah.

Tiffany (25:05)
Which I didn't do. I just left mine out in the middle of the cold. Or you can put leaves or mulch on top of the pot. On top of the soil to try to like keep some warmth in.

Kat (25:08)
You're like, be wild. Ha ha ha.

Yeah.

And don't don't groom them until af don't trim them until after the last freeze.

Tiffany (25:27)
Okay. Yeah, I trim mine like in the spring, so I was that wasn't the problem for me.

Kat (25:31)
Yes, after Yeah, after the la

that's that's one thing they say that it'll look ugly and dead, but the thing is that it's it's it just in the winter it just withdraws moisture from the extremities, right? And so once it gets above freezing again, that's when you trim, 'cause it uses that ⁓ dead layer as an insulator. So

Tiffany (25:56)
interesting. Maybe I did trim it too early. That could be.

Kat (26:00)
It's a th yeah, here in Texas they're like, I know it's early March and you wanna just wait two more weeks two more weeks and so mid March is yeah. But then you do have freak frosts, it can happen. But but that's another way to I let it be dead for the winter. Let it be dead. You know, and wait to prune it just 'cause it's it looks ugly, that it's doing and also it's a yes, again, a habitat for bugs and birds to sleep in and hibernate in. So that's the other thing.

Tiffany (26:07)
Yeah. Okay.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

I left all my stuff over winter and I don't think I'm gonna do that again only because it's so much work in the spring and it was really overwhelming. Yeah. I was like, ⁓ my god. Yeah, I should've done a little bit of this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But I will say I cut back

Kat (26:37)
Yeah, all of a sudden you're like, Okay, March fifteenth Yeah. You have one weekend. Yeah. And some some plants better than others too, you know. But yeah.

Tiffany (26:54)
I have ⁓ it's called a swamp rose mellow, but it's basically a type of what are those really big flowers? Hibiscus. Yeah. And it's so cool. Yeah. But it's like it's native, which is crazy, but it's like the coolest flower 'cause it comes flowers one day and then they fall off and then flower but there's flowers everywhere. And anyway it's got like those kind of like sticky stalks and I

Kat (27:01)
⁓ Hibiscus. wow. What an ugly name for a hibiscus, yeah.

Tiffany (27:23)
Took a video of it and actually I don't remember if I put this on my new Instagram or not, my Replant the Suburbs Instagram, but I will if I didn't, I don't I've posted like two things. It's tragic, but thank you. I love it. I appreciate it. I found a bee coming out of it. Like I filmed a bee coming out of each of the old ones had little holes in them where bees had been nesting. And then I just happened to find a bee.

Kat (27:34)
I d I like it every time. Like like and share.

the stock.

Tiffany (27:52)
at that time coming out. I was like, my god, it's real. Yeah, it was so cool to see stuff that you hear about in action. You're like, my God, it's not just that burrow. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, so also using or th I don't know, the n the Wildlife Federation says like use organic potting soil.

Kat (27:55)
It worked Yeah. That's magical when that happens.

Where's David Attenborough? He's a narrate this.

Tiffany (28:20)
I we could look into that 'cause I don't know organic versus non organic potting soil. I'm assuming just pesticides.

Kat (28:26)
That's a

Yeah.

it's weird. I mean it depends so we've been using an organic potting soil that has like a compost aspect to it, but the thing is that these South American mushrooms keep growing out of it.

So I wonder if you could get I don't even remember.

Tiffany (28:45)
Where's it wait, which what brand is it?

Is it that rainforest one?

Kat (28:50)
I don't know, 'cause it it that definitely is a thing, but I we got it at one of the local plant shops. I can't even remember 'cause I didn't even think about that. And and they're like non invasive. They just kind of only grow in the pot and like they die after. But it's wild. They are huge yellow I mean, they start off this big and in eight hours they're this big and they like open up. They're like they look like they're from another planet. ⁓ and it's just the type of compost the soil is. So I wonder if you would get like native organic soil, you know?

Tiffany (28:55)
Yeah.

Uhhuh. That's pretty weird though, yeah.

Whoa, that's crazy.

Yeah,

that's really interesting.

Kat (29:20)
But it doesn't it doesn't bother

the plants and it just goes back in and is compost again, you know.

Tiffany (29:25)
Right. But it could theoretically, if you're not composting hot enough, you could sell some seeds from wherever. That's really interesting. That's so fascinating. I guess mushrooms I don't know. Mushrooms are like a good sign. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. That's fascinating. ⁓ yeah, we could like look into organic versus non organic potting. So I don't think we ever did that. We had talked about fertilizers. Yeah.

Kat (29:31)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It means it's moist enough and stuff. But

Yeah.

No, we did fertilizer.

But that was like look out for biosolids. Ha ha ha. But I mean I I could get that. I could see why. You know, you don't want soil that's been like

Tiffany (29:58)
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kat (30:08)
I I can't even think of like yeah. Nuclear it's like radiated or something, you know? Like they do the milk. Mm irradiated. ⁓ my hello. Hi, little guy. That was very weird.

Tiffany (30:08)
What do they do to so I I don't know what they do to it. I don't know. Yeah.

Hello. That was weird.

Kat (30:26)
What's happening? There we go. She's alive. She's the green light's not on. It's like it's not it thinks we're not recording. I don't know. My my computer is like I give up.

Tiffany (30:26)
Like that. And then you disappeared.

Is it old?

Kat (30:37)
My computer is. This webcam is totally new, yeah. It's the one that follows me, remember when I

Tiffany (30:39)
Yeah. No, I know that. Yeah.

Yes, I do. I just wonder if like an old computer like my computer's crapping out, so I'm just wondering like when will things not function together? It's like the cam the webcam's too new, so the c the computer is like does not compute. Yeah.

Kat (30:53)
Yeah.

Yeah, the computer doesn't recognize it anymore. I'm like I only use this for podcasting, so

I should probably use my new old computer for anyway, yeah.

Tiffany (31:08)
Yeah, your new old one, yep. Sounds about right. okay, so what kinds of plants can you plant in containers? If they're native for you, you'll have to look it up. But these are kind of like largely native across the US. Not everywhere though, so.

Kat (31:11)
Yep.

Tiffany (31:24)
And if I don't know, I feel like most of these, if you do plant them in a place that they're not native, they just may not thrive. They're not gonna like turn invasive. So I don't think there's a big risk there. It's just like maybe you're also potentially not helping any of the local bugs at all. Yeah, so so yeah, these are just some ideas. ⁓ milkweed, which I've heard is hard to get. I've actually never planted it because I can never find it.

Kat (31:32)
Right. Yeah.

Local species. Right.

Tiffany (31:53)
But I've never looked that hard either.

Kat (31:53)
really? Have you tried your local

public library?

Tiffany (31:59)
For seeds or for plants?

Kat (32:00)
huh,

for seeds.

Tiffany (32:03)
I did go to one seed event and I didn't get those, but maybe I had options. Maybe I just didn't pick it. That's interesting. Yours has them?

Kat (32:07)
Okay.

I I I don't know if I d I know that the Austin Public Library has seeds that you can get to plant. Yes.

Tiffany (32:20)
like year round. ⁓

mine was like a s ⁓ seed event, so yeah.

Kat (32:25)
Like a seat exchange. no. You can go

to the Austin Public Library, the central library here and get seats. It's really cool.

Tiffany (32:29)
that's cool. Maybe

I shall come, no.

Kat (32:35)
Yeah, you should.

Tiffany (32:36)
yeah, well. I will eventually. ⁓ but yeah, different kinds of milkweed do different things. There's also butterfly weed, which I don't think monarchs eat, which is interesting, but other butterflies do. Yeah. It's yeah, it's kind of weird. There's

Kat (32:48)
Yeah, 'cause it's for butterflies. Yeah.

I mean, you monarchs are

the only only a butterfly. They're the showboat of the butterfly world, so

Tiffany (32:55)
Yeah,

yeah. They're the I'm actually not sure if they're like better or if they're just endangered. Probably endangered.

Kat (33:02)
All in their migratory.

So they have a large they hit a large swath of the US. So and Mexico, yeah.

Tiffany (33:06)
That's true. And

they have that cool like migration craziness where you can go watch them. I don't even remember where. Is that in South America?

Kat (33:14)
Yeah.

probably Mexico, yeah.

Tiffany (33:20)
that would make sense. You can also do Aster, which is what I tried in my containers and failed. But my containers weren't super big. They were just sort of like pots. Like big pots. So if you're doing like longer planters with the other tricks I mentioned, they might survive. Coriopsis apparently. I nobody probably knows what the hell this is, but I love Coriopsis and it's so pretty.

Kat (33:31)
Yeah.

I haven't heard of it.

I have to look it up.

Tiffany (33:48)
my god, look it up. It's so pretty. I should have had like a ready to go slideshow of these.

Kat (33:55)
it's I have s we have it here. Okay. It's beautiful.

Tiffany (33:58)
Yeah, it's so pretty.

There's so many different colors. But apparently that likes ⁓ containers. Which I didn't know. I should have tried that instead of the Aster. Yeah.

Kat (34:04)
Yeah. It likes everything. I mean it it'll that's the thing. If you don't mow

a lawn in Austin, that grows, you know?

Tiffany (34:12)
That's amazing. That's cool. I love that. ⁓ different kinds of coneflowers apparently can thrive. Which is like Echinacea, like purple comb flower. ⁓ those yeah, those are so nice. All the different kinds of floxes, which I love flox Yeah. Okay, nice, yes.

Kat (34:24)
yeah, they're beautiful.

You have to separate the flocks. My mother had a bunch of flocks in the backyard and you had to

s you have to separate the flocks, yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (34:38)
Okay, do you? 'Cause mine is

all creeping together. It's creeping flocks. Okay. Yeah, I should try that. Cause it's like whew. Sh sh it looks happy, but it is taking over. Yeah. Okay, good to know. is a plant that like hummingbirds like, which is cool. Wild bergamot is one. Ferns and grasses apparently are okay in

Kat (34:42)
Yeah, you have to separate the flocks.

Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah.

Mm.

⁓

Tiffany (35:04)
They can be okay in containers. So ⁓ some ferns can be native. Actually a lot of ferns are native to different areas around the US. So that's pretty cool. Ferns are also really good if you don't get a lot of sun on your balcony or your patio, which I never really did on my one balcony. So you can also plant food. So like I said, I did tomatoes and you could do squash, you could do whatever the hell you eat, you can do.

Kat (35:32)
Again, herbs, when we

talked about growing from home, the most bang for your buck is herbs.

Tiffany (35:36)
Yes, I think about that all the time. And I I just planted some rosemary actually, I'm quite proud of myself. My last one died, but it's fine. What? Yes.

Kat (35:43)
nice. me too. Do you know you wanna know how I did it? I'm gonna s share a secret with you.

Took the rosemary, bought the bought the rosemary that comes in the plastic, ⁓ you know, live rosemary from the grocery store. Propagated it.

Tiffany (35:58)
Wait, sorry. It was like in the container that like cut.

Kat (36:02)
It

wasn't it was it was cut. But they just they give it to you in like a cup with the the to go cu you know, they do it with basil. Any of those herbs. You can stick them in an inch of water in the sun and let them grow roots and then plant them. So we've done that yeah, I've got basil. all it it rosemary is a little bit more difficult. Basil will just do it, right? Just keep the water fresh, you know, every week, toss it and pour new water in there. ⁓ but yeah, I

Tiffany (36:06)
Yeah. Uh-huh.

In water.

That's amazing. And it worked.

Uh-huh.

Kat (36:31)
We've done that with basil. I just did it with rosemary, so I just planted rosemary. So it's like two little twigs, you know, but they got roots, they're planted. I'm gonna have a rosemary bush by this time next year. Yes. So the next time you buy herbs, because you you know, you can't it's so rare that you can use all that rosemary at once. ⁓ Rosemary's crazy easy to grow. Yeah. No. Yeah.

Tiffany (36:36)
Yeah. That's awesome. That is so exciting.

Yes. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. I think mine died because it was too wet and I think it doesn't like a lot of water. So I put it in the ground because it was in

a container and I just threw it in the ground. And looks happy.

Kat (36:57)
Yeah, it

yeah. Put it on a corner, it's a sunny corner. I know it grows in New Mexico like crazy. ⁓ don't know if it's native to But anyway it's a good herb.

Tiffany (37:01)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

That I don't

know. It's not like invasive, so I think it's okay. Yeah. It doesn't have to be like Yeah, and if you're using it, like it's fine. so I did I looked at the costs a little bit. And your plants run anywhere between eight to twelve dollars per plant. And that's those are the numbers based on my local nursery, but

Kat (37:13)
No. But it's an easy herb. It smells nice.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay.

Tiffany (37:37)
They're like pretty big substantial plants. You can get plugs also. That those are harder to find. Or you can like frickin' propagate from your friend or the grocery store.

Kat (37:43)
Yeah. Yeah. You

yeah, that I mean, so we have I planted passion flower in containers on our back patio, which I didn't realise they need a lot more sun 'cause I have a covered patio. But they've come back. This is the third year they've come back. ⁓ And you can just s snip one of ⁓ stick it in water and grow a new one. So

Tiffany (37:56)
Mm-hmm.

cool.

That's

awesome.

Kat (38:08)
A lot

of plants are propagatable that way. Yeah.

Tiffany (38:10)
That's amazing. I feel

like those would be really good gifts too. Like if you grew it and then put it in a cute little pot.

Kat (38:14)
Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Everyone

everyone I know is so tired of getting spider plants and pothos from me. But Merry Christmas guys. They're like, not again cat. I'm like, yeah, same same spider plant my co worker at the Coombers and Toltec Scenic Railroad gave me in twenty twelve. Propagating. She's got children all over the place. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. So thanks, Kryn.

Tiffany (38:37)
That that it it's yours now. Now it's yours. That's awesome. But if you did like rosemary,

that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Interesting. We'll we'll log that away for our Christmas episode.

Kat (38:45)
Yeah, rosemary would be great. And it's a that's such a perfect Christmas gift. Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, but with wildflowers too, if they're seeding.

Tiffany (39:01)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can say the seeds.

Kat (39:03)
You could just grab And y my you know, if you have a yard and you don't know what to do with it, my friend Jeannie, who works for the Forest Service, she'd be like, Yeah, just throw out in yard. I mean, that's, you know, not container planting, but it's a possibility, you know. You're right.

Tiffany (39:17)
Yeah. It may or may not work.

Like usually they need a little bit more love and care, but you could try it. I mean what's the worst that can happen? Couple pop up and you're like, sweet, I got some cone flour in my yard now.

Kat (39:24)
Coaxing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I know in in

Albuquerque hollyhocks are just like

Tiffany (39:38)
⁓ that's awesome.

Kat (39:39)
And they're yeah, you just kinda toss the seeds out and they go nuts. But yeah.

Tiffany (39:43)
That's awesome.

⁓ so yeah, like your containers are gonna be anywhere if you buy them new and you can't find them used, like twenty to a hundred and twenty dollars. and more. Like you you can pay more than that, but r reasonably. yeah, you hopefully can use them for a long time, especially if they're if they're like terracotta, just don't leave them out over the winter. ⁓ I've made that mistake many times and 'cause they Yeah, they can. Yeah.

Kat (39:54)
For years.

Yeah.

'cause they can crack if they freeze.

Especially if they're smaller. Yeah, 'cause the the I have mine in painted terracotta. My Passion Flower. I bought those pots five years ago when I moved in here. 'Cause I s tried to start with Star Jasmine and it froze and didn't come back. But the Passion Flower has frozen and come back twice, so but yeah. It just depends on the size of the pot and yeah.

Tiffany (40:18)
Mm.

Okay.

Nice.

Yeah, and how much water is in it? If there's not a ton of water, then it's probably fine, but if it's covered, then it's not as risky. Yeah. You do! Yay! I wanna do I'm getting some containers for my mother in law and I wanna do I originally I was gonna do lettuce, but

Kat (40:34)
Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause that's i yep. Yeah.

Anyway, yeah, forgot. I do do container planting. Kind of.

Tiffany (40:55)
And I still might, but I have to wait until it's cold ish again. So probably in the fall I can plant those. Yeah, but I do want to 'cause I don't grow that much food and I really want to start button.

Kat (40:58)
Yeah. That's that's a fall planter. Yeah.

Yeah, I keep thinking that. I need to take better care of my fig tree.

Tiffany (41:13)
H does it fig? Yes. Really? No. Yeah.

Kat (41:14)
Yes. Have I ever gotten a fig off of it? No. 'Cause

I have squirrels.

Tiffany (41:20)
⁓ yes, okay.

Kat (41:21)
And

it is not a very big fig.

Tiffany (41:24)
Gotcha. I don't know anything about fruiting trees, so we'll add very little. Yeah. Aren't we all? okay, so that's kinda like the costs. It's a pretty affordable thing to do. ⁓

Kat (41:25)
I have not watered it.

Okay.

I'm learning as I go.

If you have yeah,

s if you can get the pots for free the potting soil is the other thing. But that's another

Tiffany (41:46)
Yeah,

I had that's like seven to nine dollars per bag, which can add up depending how much you need. You know, if it's like a decent like a pot, a big pot.

Kat (41:53)
Yeah, one bag could fill probably

A big

pot and then like four of the littler ones, maybe. Three or four. Yeah.

Tiffany (42:04)
Yeah. so the other thing I really wanted to talk to talk about quickly, which I think we're gonna kind of get into this a little bit more later in the season, was like if you don't have that much space in your home, so like if you only have a balcony, still use that. But there are so many other

options for convincing other people to plant native flowers. So I was thinking like if you have an apartment complex, go to the owner, go to the people who run the landscaping, go to whoever, the leasing, like start somewhere and you can either request a small section be converted to wildflowers or bee friendly plants, or just have them

Kat (42:39)
The leasing office, yeah.

Tiffany (42:55)
plopped throughout the existing landscaping. Cause like my god, how many marigolds does a person need to look at? Marigolds are fine, but they're useless. Like instead of all mums, like do half mums havesters? Like, you know, there's you we can we can convince people, we can do it. so like your apartment complex, libraries have a lot of libraries have already existing

Kat (43:03)
I know, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (43:24)
gardens, but if they don't, you can maybe convince them. Schools, Charlie's school, her she's going into elementary school, and I visited, and I was so taken aback by how little landscaping they had there. And I was like, this is so uninspiring. And so my plan is to convince them either to start a little pollinator garden with the kids or

Kat (43:25)
Space. Yeah.

yeah.

Hm.

Tiffany (43:52)
to just hire my ass and let me landscape it a little bit. We'll see, you know.

Kat (43:54)
Yeah.

Right. Give

me a corner. Yeah, maybe even just you know, as a portfolio gig, right? Looks good on your website. Yeah.

Tiffany (44:02)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

It is a public school. We're coming from a private school and it's like, this is different.

Kat (44:10)
Yeah. I'm sure they'd be thrilled.

Tiffany (44:12)
So

we'll see. ⁓ especially if it's like a project with the kids. even if your kids are not going there, like daycares, elementary schools, local high schools, community colleges. Our community college actually has like pretty decent landscaping, but I feel like it could always be better. Roundabouts, medians, hell strips, all of these things, you can kinda just I think, depending on your state and your city and whatever, go in and just plan some shit. 'Cause like who's gonna stop you? Maybe somebody, but

Kat (44:37)
Yeah. Right?

Probably not.

Tiffany (44:43)
Probably not. You can convince your homeowners association. You can talk to small businesses in your area and see if they want you to plant some stuff. ⁓ there are community gardens. The lists can be long on those. Took me about three to five years to get into mine, but I did finally. ⁓ and guess what? You can get grants to do this work. Because I worked for the forest well, I volunteered for the forestry association in my area. They were giving out money.

for these kinds of projects. And they were like, We have more money and nobody's applying. So we would give money to like high schoolers who anybody really who wrote in. They're like, We have this really poorly planned project. Will you pay it for it? Yeah, sure. Take our money. Cause otherwise it just sits there. So you can also volunteer for projects. So there's a bunch of like churches near me, like interfaith groups that do lots of like

Kat (45:14)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Take our money.

Tiffany (45:43)
Planting days. There's just like so many options. So all that to say, we it is within our power to garden the hell out of this earth. so we always ask, like, does the earth-friendly message need to come back to Earth? And this is sort of like when we're looking at products. In this case, no, it's all real, it's happening. But we really can make an impact, I think. So

How realistic is this for all of us to do on our granola rating? Every episode we do like a granola rating of like one to five. One to five? Yeah. I was like, what is it again? Yeah, one to five. Soggy is one. You don't want soggy granola. five is break your tooth off. You definitely want no teeth. I rated this as a five. Crunchy. I mean, not crunchy. Break your tooth off.

Kat (46:20)
One to five. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

I'd see well yeah. I can't imagine any other possible. Break

your teeth up, for sure.

Tiffany (46:41)
Yes, exactly.

So I think container gardening is really a cool idea. And I think we all should try it.

Kat (46:52)
You've inspired me.

Tiffany (46:54)
good.

Kat (46:55)
native flowers are I've been really meaning Sean is really on a landscaping kick right now and he's like

Tiffany (47:00)
Ooh,

cool.

Kat (47:03)
Who got some plumeria in Hawaii when we were there? And the guy's Yeah, just stick it in the ground, it'll grow. It's not native to Texas, you know. And Sean overthought it and it rotted, but so he cut off some nubs and then re and so he's just getting roots on these little nubs of plumeria and he wants them. But I I am going to push to I mean he can have his plumeria in pots, that's fine. We can have our little. But

Tiffany (47:06)
Okay.

Yeah.

Yes, yeah, totally.

Kat (47:32)
I've got Salvia out front, I've got some other ones, and I really just wanna redo the front garden bed and really nave it up, so

Tiffany (47:35)
How nice.

That would be amazing. Yes, I love that. Well if you need ideas, let me know.

Kat (47:48)
Yeah, I might. I know Lantana Lantana just grows naturally here and it's native. And then we have the passion flower. So I have some. So I just want to really focus on it. gosh. Yeah, you should have you ever s yet look up purple passion flower. Just pictures of it.

Tiffany (47:50)
Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know Passion Flower actually. It's so different there.

Whoa.

Kat (48:09)
It is crazy. It looks like an alien.

Tiffany (48:12)
It does look like an alien. That's amazing.

Kat (48:15)
So we don't have

enough sunlight on our it's so the vine is like out of control. But we don't have enough sunlight on our patio. So I need to move them next year to someplace sunnier so that they'll actually flower more. But also apparently you can get high from making a tea from the plants. You didn't hear it from me, but so the flowers you can Yeah. Yeah.

Tiffany (48:20)
Yeah.

Uh-huh.

⁓ my god. Apparently they're very fragrant. That is so cool. That is so cool.

And you said it's in a container, right? So you could just move it.

Kat (48:43)
Yeah, I can move it. I mean the containers are super heavy. Sean is like, Well, we can't move it down there because the dogs will eat it. And I'm like, the dogs are not going to eat it.

Tiffany (48:46)
Okay.

⁓ right, pets.

Kat (48:52)
Ada

only eats dying plants. That's her thing. It's true, though. She does. She does. I think she can hear them. I think we've talked about that, right? That dogs can hear plants plants emit plants emit a sound, a lot of plants at a Hertz level that human ears can't hear. But dogs can.

Tiffany (48:56)
She's like, I'll help you along.

I don't think so.

I I had no idea. Was this from ⁓ one of the books you read?

Kat (49:18)
Yeah.

I remember where I read.

Tiffany (49:23)
I feel like there's that book, The Secret Story of Trees. I think I got the title wrong, but

Kat (49:27)
⁓ maybe I haven't read that one.

Tiffany (49:32)
Anyway.

Kat (49:33)
Yeah, dogs might be able to hear plants. It's possible. Secret life of bees.

Tiffany (49:34)
Secret Life of Trees, I don't know. Okay.

What the fuck am I saying?

Kat (49:40)
That's a different book.

I'm like thinking of fiction and you're thinking of non fiction. I love it. But

Tiffany (49:45)
Yeah. Trees.

Hidden life of trees, that's what it was. Mm-hmm.

Kat (49:49)
Hidden life of trees. Okay. I

don't know. I probably saw it on an Instagram post. But But yeah, I'm Ada can definitely hear dying plants and she definitely attacks them and tears them up. It's hilarious. Sean was not thrilled when she pulled an avocado he had just planted out of the pot the other day, but she's like new stick It died. It died. But

Tiffany (49:53)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's crazy. That's kind of awesome.

⁓ no. Well maybe a minute.

maybe it was already dying. That's why she pulled it.

Kat (50:19)
Yeah,

I kinda think. I think Ada knew it wasn't long for this world. But anyway. So, okay. Well that's cool. I like container gardening.

Tiffany (50:24)
Maybe. That's funny.

Yes. Yeah. And I think it's you can add it you can add it, you can take it away. Like it's just it's so versatile. So I think whatever we can do is just so important. next week I forgot. ⁓ that's right, deer spray. Yes.

Kat (50:38)
Agreed.

Deer spray. Mm-hmm. You guys ready for some

stankle, as we call it in this house? It's stankles.

Tiffany (50:49)
my god. Did you try DIYing it? ⁓ I have not. Okay. That's good for you. I have. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We'll get into it. So it's it's

Kat (50:53)
I have not. I don't have deer. But you have, haven't you? Okay, I'm gonna ask you for your but not till next week, so yeah.

Tiffany (51:07)
It's something. perfect. So thank you for listening.

Kat (51:07)
Awesome.

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Tiffany (51:17)
Mm-hmm.

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Kat (51:23)
A like or a five stars, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Awesome. Yes. We appreciate it. We're glad to be back. Back in the groove. Alright. Woo.