Greening Up My Act (00:01)
Hi, Kat. Hello. So, cotton leggings. Have you ever tried them?

Kat (00:02)
Hello, Tiffany.

You know, I think most of the leggings that I've tried have been kind of cotton poly blend or something ⁓ and not organic. And definitely just like, I have to put something on my legs. What's cheap. Find it, you know, or workout clothes. Yeah. So I can't say that I've tried organic cotton leggings. Sounds comfy.

Greening Up My Act (00:18)
Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah.

Yes, that's very, yeah. Yeah. ⁓

Right.

that we kind of found out that leggings or organic cotton is ⁓ less ⁓ potentially, well, potentially less comfy, less soft. But yeah. OK, so my brain, as Kat said, ⁓ maybe eight months ago or so, her brain was a mashed potato. Mine is a mashed potato now currently. So.

Kat (00:45)
Sustainable. Yeah, depending. Yes, true. It's possible, yes.

Greening Up My Act (01:08)
Apologies if all of my contributions are literal make no sense. ⁓ so organic cotton leggings. You can sweat your buns off, but feel the sweat. Enjoyable, maybe. I was actually going to test some. I was considering getting some and testing them, ⁓ but I didn't. So here we are. But I did read up on this company called Mate.

Kat (01:19)
Delightful.

Greening Up My Act (01:38)
Meet the label. I don't like it.

Kat (01:39)
Okay. Why

don't, it's like this fashion thing where they add like the label. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (01:44)
sounds like an art like a musician

I'm just like

Kat (01:48)
Tyler the creator made the label.

Greening Up My Act (01:50)
Yeah, I'm just like, why?

Why? So, and I think it's mate, it's spelled mate. Maybe it's mate, but I'm saying mate. Okay. There's no accent. No.

Kat (01:59)
Okay, it's not to be confused with yerba mate. Yeah, okay.

They're like, this is the label, not the drink.

Greening Up My Act (02:05)
Right. You put it on your legs. You smear it on your legs. ⁓ But the craziest thing that I found when I looked into their stuff is that I was scrolling through their sustainability page and I clicked on a link for one of their certifications. And it was actually like the climate change product project certification. And I clicked on it because it's on their website and it says that they're certified for this thing.

Kat (02:08)
Yeah, for caffeinated goodness.

Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (02:35)
And the certification page popped up and it had a warning, little warning box, and it said, mate the label no longer meets the requirements for this certification.

Kat (02:48)
Wow, and they haven't removed that. Wow. I wonder if they're like fighting it or something, but like no, no mention on their website about like, go to this website and get us proved wrong. So it's like, how do you take anything that they have posted on there? Like seriously? Wow.

Greening Up My Act (02:50)
No, they must be.

It was a big shock. It

was a big shock. And I'm pretty disappointed this season because I really thought we were going to find some like better stuff, but I'm so far away. I don't know. We'll see about this one. ⁓ that was, yeah, that was a huge surprise. I was just like, what is happening? To be fair, they are still a B corporation, but yeah, like you said, just take the other certification off your website. What are you doing?

Kat (03:28)
Okay.

Yeah, quit advertising the fact that this isn't true.

Greening Up My Act (03:35)
Yeah. So today we're going to look at organic cotton leggings from Mate the Label and we will try to deduce what the hell's going on there. Are they sustainable? Are they not? What's going on? Welcome to greening up my act.

Kat (03:42)
Okay.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (04:06)
Alrighty.

Kat (04:09)
Yay. I once again have a cough everyone, I'm sorry.

Greening Up My Act (04:14)
Ugh,

it has been a while since we recorded.

Kat (04:17)
It's true. It's been a month, a little over a month. So, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (04:20)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, actually we

recorded like I'll just yeah, I'll just say it because In case nobody listens to our last or people don't listen to our last episode We recorded December 23rd. My mom died on Christmas Day and that feels like a joke, but it's not it feels like a cruel joke Unfortunately, it's not So we have not recorded today is what the 20 is it the 25th 26 seventh, okay

Kat (04:25)
December 23rd.

Yes.

26th? 27th. 27th.

Greening Up My Act (04:49)
So it's been more than a month for me, because I'm like, I had sort of been waiting for that month mark. I don't know why it's like this arbitrary, like, oh, God, it's been a month.

Kat (04:51)
Yeah.

and it makes sense. feel like,

no, it totally, that there is something about, there's like a half life to grief where it's like, it's most poignant for two, three, four weeks right after it happens. And then it's like, you can breathe again and still, you know, cause it's so immense. Even if it's just halved, it's still huge and hard, but like you can get out of bed. can remember what you had for breakfast maybe.

Greening Up My Act (05:04)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Yep. That is such a good way of putting it. It is like half-lifing it. Because yeah, I started feeling a little bit better, like not totally completely suffocated by my emotions.

Kat (05:28)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (05:41)
week and a half ago, if that. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, cause I got, went to a children's birthday party and ⁓ had a panic attack. So.

Kat (05:42)
Yep, yep. Sounds about right. Two, two and a half weeks. Yep.

I have those even when I'm not grieving, so...

Greening Up My Act (05:58)
You know,

it was actually going to be a pretty casual one, but yeah, I was just like, I can't do it. can't do it. So, you know, the other crazy thing, and this is really just going off on a tangent, but hey, my mom died. I'm allowed. we are going to Disney in Disney world in like four days, five days. Yes. We had this planned for like eight months.

Kat (06:06)
Nope, totally fair.

No way. Really?

Greening Up My Act (06:28)
And I'm like, have to go to the happiest or the most magical place on earth or whatever they call it in the middle of this. Are we joking?

Kat (06:28)
Okay.

Yeah.

That's also a cruel joke. Well, and maybe what you can do is just like, I don't know, find the most macabre thing you could like, go just ride the haunted mansion by yourself. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (06:46)
Oh my god, those are the only ones I'm excited for. The Haunted Mansion

and I should write it by myself if you're right. I am actually probably going to try to write The Tower of Terror by myself. I don't know if it'll be by myself, but I'm like, that's the only one I care about people. So I haven't ever written either of them. I'm like, yeah, no, you're totally right. That's funny. I wonder if that's why. I'm just like, I need to be around ghosts. I don't know.

Kat (06:53)
Ha ha.

Right. Yeah.

or just

something that's not trying to be totally happy, you know? Yeah, have to it. Yeah, no.

Greening Up My Act (07:19)
Yes, it's a small world. Yeah,

no, you're right. That is probably part of it. Yeah, I should just go sit there.

Kat (07:28)
If

you do ride the small world, well, I haven't been to the one in Disney World. I've only been to the one in Disneyland. ⁓ for me, it was like as an adult, just like I looked up at the ceiling and it was like styrofoam, the styrofoam panels, which like as a kid, you'll never notice because you're like, look at the little things dancing. But like as an adult, you're like, this is shoddy ancient, you know, construction that like, you know.

Greening Up My Act (07:48)
huh.

my god.

Kat (07:58)
or the tiki room, all you can hear is the animatronics clacking and like barely the audio. But when you're a kid, it's all magical and fun. So like, as an adult, you can be like, ah, yes, decay, decay is all around me.

Greening Up My Act (08:07)
Yeah.

That is so funny. Decay, yeah, because it's old.

Well, I think they revamped the one in Disney World, I think, I would hope, but.

Kat (08:18)
Yeah. Yeah, some of those like

the Pirates of the Caribbean and stuff. It's like, it's been around a while. I'm falling apart. Because I got to spend all the money on the Star Wars stuff, know? Yeah. Harry Potter. I guess that's, are you going to Universal Studios 2 or just Disney World? OK.

Greening Up My Act (08:22)
Yeah, I've seen videos of it and I'm like, ⁓ man. Yeah, I'm like, yes. And Tron and yes. No, no.

Universal, think is superior, but I haven't been to Disney since I was a little kid. So maybe I'll change my tune.

Kat (08:44)
and just

live through Charlie, you know, on some level.

Greening Up My Act (08:48)
Yeah,

that's my plan. She's gonna, she's gonna love every, she's gonna love, there's like a, you know, the Tron, what's it called? I was gonna call it a Tron. It's called a Tram or Metro, whatever. Yes. Yes. She's gonna love that. We're going to take a bus to Animal Kingdom. She's going to love the bus. You know, it's like, it doesn't take much. Yes, exactly.

Kat (09:01)
Yes. Yeah, the monorail monorail. Yes.

Yeah, she's gonna love the cardboard box that something comes in. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (09:16)
Yeah, she'll probably be like, gross, these rides are awful. Let's go ride the train again.

Kat (09:16)
Kids are great. Yeah. Can I just sit on the monorail? Yeah. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (09:22)
Yeah, which is fine. I'm like, sure. don't care. ⁓

So anyway, that's where I am. But. ⁓

Yeah, if anybody's new here, we're not always.

Kat (09:35)
Yeah, fair.

100 % on our games. This is not our full-time jobs. This is our... yes. To our magic.

Greening Up My Act (09:40)
Yeah. Welcome. But here

we are living our lives and things happen. So all right. let me on that note, let's go through my sources. I did actually have, I will say this was a really nice distraction because I've been just like, what's the word? Just like, absolutely.

couch potato, but not in a positive way. Just like really negative, laying on the couch being absolutely miserable, which I guess is expected. So this was nice to sort of have a reason to do a thing. Yes. So I looked at the Good Trade, which this was really a funny review. So I'm excited to tell you about that. It's an honest quote unquote review.

Kat (10:10)
Yeah. No. Yeah.

a goal. Yeah. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (10:37)
I looked at the climate change project as mentioned. looked at, ⁓ obviously, Made the Labels website. Good on you, I use them again. They had a review, which I found less helpful than the other ones I've used for this season. I ⁓ looked at Certified B-Core's website and then this other clothing company called Jungmaven I'm not even sure they're really like...

worth talking about, but I was trying to find alternatives. Reddit, have really, yeah, it's very helpful because they're real people giving real customer stories about experiences. And then Trustpilot again. All right, what are we talking about today? Meat and potatoes.

Kat (11:13)
Good old Reddit.

Greening Up My Act (11:33)
I did not include a break, so remind me to put a break in here at some point. Perfect. So we are talking about mate the label. I might just call them mate from now on, because that's what most people do. And maybe this is more popular than I realize. I had never heard of them. OK. No, I'm not the demographic. But ⁓ a bunch of people on Reddit were like, yeah, I.

Kat (11:35)
Okay, at 20 minutes, I'm just gonna ring a bell.

I've never heard of it, yeah, but I'm also 44 years old, so, right.

Greening Up My Act (12:02)
uh, thrifted their stuff and it's awesome. And I'm just like, huh, I wouldn't even know to look. I don't even know what the label looks like. Yes. Yeah. So maybe it's just people who like clothes more than we do, but then that's fine. I don't know. Um, they are a US based clothing company started in 2013 and it's

Kat (12:09)
I don't even look for labels when I go thrifting. I'm like, that takes a lot of forethought. But yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (12:30)
Kind of interesting, I mentioned later, most of their stuff is made in, at least so they say, is made in Los Angeles.

Kat (12:38)
Okay, so kind of like American Apparel was for years and years and years until they went under. They were an LA factory. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (12:46)
Okay,

yeah. I think Jungmaven is too. That must be like a big thing to make clothes in LA.

Kat (12:51)
Yeah, there's just a lot of

interesting kind of factory work coming out of LA. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (12:55)
Huh.

Interesting. but they do sure as hell thrive on their sustainability status because on their website, they have three tabs, which normally you have a million, but they have three. One is shop. One is journal, which is blog basically. And one is sustainability. So they are really trying to be upfront with we are sustainable.

Kat (13:03)
Okay.

Okay. Wow. Okay.

It's on an

equal footing with their shop. That's amazing. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (13:25)
shop.

So they are, like I said, a certified B Corp, which does mean that they have really high standards of social, environmental performance, transparency, accountability. ⁓ And specifically, I wanted to look at one of their organic cotton leggings, because a lot of their clothes are athleisure wear, which I am not the demographic

Kat (13:51)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (13:55)
So

they use organic cotton leggings, or they make their leggings out of organic cotton rather than spandex or polyester, like whatever other kind of leggings they make, stretchy fabric. Yeah, so it's organic. So it is cotton and it is organic.

Kat (14:17)
Yeah, the materials, the stretching materials, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (14:24)
but it's, I think it's like 8 % spandex still because you need some kind of stretch.

Kat (14:30)
Okay, you have to have

some I was gonna say otherwise it's just pants Like the thing the difference between leggings and pants. Yeah, it's just like Yeah, sweatpants. I don't know. Yeah

Greening Up My Act (14:34)
Yeah, otherwise it's t-shirt. Yeah, I'm trying to think of cotton, yeah.

Yeah. ⁓ So I looked at the organic stretch midi legging with pockets specifically. Yes, pockets are a big one. ⁓ Randomly, I had mentioned the good trades review. This is random, but this is something that people should be on alert for is when you read an honest quote unquote honest review. This literally is called an honest review.

Kat (14:49)
Ooh, packets. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (15:12)
You got to look for who's paying who, who's partnering with who, because at the bottom of the GoodTrade's honest review, it says this in bold letters, so they're not hiding it, this story is in partnership with our friends at Mate

Kat (15:14)
E.A.

So how honest can it be?

Greening Up My Act (15:30)
Exactly. It was glowing. No. And that's kind of the good trades MO is what it seems like. I used to think that they were kind of on to it, but no.

Kat (15:32)
This isn't real journalism, right? Yeah.

Yeah,

I mean, I just even, I was thinking about the Quince episode and yeah, it seems like they're just kind of paid to write a review and like feed it to you. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (15:47)
Yeah.

Yeah, for what we've seen so far.

Yeah. So just keep that in mind when you're trying to read reviews. It's hard to find. I mean, they are supposed to add or like have a disclaimer that yes, we partnered like that is by law. They have to, but it's not necessarily.

Kat (16:12)
Yeah.

Obvious.

Greening Up My Act (16:15)
obvious or that they'll get in trouble if they don't. I've heard a lot of YouTubers and Instagramers and influencers are starting, are kind of stopping that like hashtag ad because it used to be a little bit more obvious and some people are have started not putting it on there even though it's an ad. So I kind of think with this new like with the current administration, things are changing in that way because people know that they're not going to get in trouble.

Kat (16:18)
Right, right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and also...

The algorithms are trying to like make their own money rather than letting other like they would rather they pay YouTube for an ad than they would pay, you know, the influencer directly kind of, you know, so I wonder about that too. I'm yeah, I've been noticing some changes on YouTube where things that would like get your content pushed down or like less.

Greening Up My Act (17:07)
Right.

Yeah.

Kat (17:20)
like they're changing. So, but I don't know. I haven't looked into it.

Greening Up My Act (17:21)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it seems like much more of the Wild Wild West. Like a lot of influencers will like hold up a beverage as if they're just drinking it. And it's so obvious that it's an ad and they don't disclose it.

Kat (17:32)
Yeah. Right. Yeah. ⁓

I mean, and even things like Sean watches some two influencers who like build stuff. I think they're Russian maybe, but it's like very clearly she's doing stuff in bare feet and like maybe that's her quirk, but it's like, why are the feet in every shot?

And it's like to appeal to a very specific demographic without having to label this as, you know, a foot fetish channel or whatever.

Greening Up My Act (18:05)
Whoa,

do they like zoom in on our feet?

Kat (18:08)
just, it'll just be like, why are there feet in this scene? You know? And if you're looking for it, you know why, but if you're not, you know, it's like that kind of, and that's like not against the rules. And it's not, it's just kind of like, if you're not into feet, you're like, I don't need this, you know? But I guess it appeals to some people. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're never explicit about it. They're not like, doesn't she have nice feet? Or, you know, it's just like.

Greening Up My Act (18:15)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's it's noticeable. A noticeable amount of feet. Okay, that's so funny. That's so crazy.

Right. Look at my new toenail polish. Interesting.

Kat (18:36)
Huh, I'm gonna guess. Yeah, I'm gonna guess this is why.

Because this is about building a house, not about feet. Anyway.

Greening Up My Act (18:46)
Yeah. Yep. I 100 % believe that. ⁓ Okay. So for Mate what eco-friend claims eco-friend eco-friendly claims are they making? I pulled out three that I was most interested in looking at. One is that they're plastic free, plastic free. Number two is that they are circular. This was really interesting. huh.

Kat (18:56)
Ecofriend?

Okay. Okay.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (19:15)
We'll get into it. Number three is that they are certified. So these were all like claims from their website. We already kind of covered a little bit of the certification,

Kat (19:20)
Okay.

Yeah. Do you think now is the time to take a break? Look at that. Look at us. Okay. Yeah. We'll come back and dig into those claims. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (19:30)
Yeah, look at us. 19 minutes. Okay. Yes. Let's do that. And we'll start with the claims.

Now both of my cats are on my desk in a little box that they don't fit in. And it's so cute because Gray is like halfway not in. It's very funny. Okay. You're right. Here.

Kat (20:02)
See, you might have to show kitties, because... for the algorithm. For the

algorithm.

Greening Up My Act (20:10)
Let's see, hang on. There's, yeah, look at her. She's half out. I know. They are comforting for sure.

Kat (20:11)
Here he is.

She's like a ear twitch. I love it. my God, they're so cute.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (20:24)
⁓ it's weird because I was thinking about it. If we had gotten them like two weeks later, we wouldn't have gotten them yet ever at all. Actually, they would not have been our cats. Yep. Yeah. So I'm kind of glad we did. They're very scratchy, but that will go away eventually. Yeah. Okay. So number one claim plastic free. So I actually, ⁓ I meant to look up what kind of, no, I did. I did look this up actually.

Kat (20:29)
No. Yeah, you probably would still be kittyless so...

Yeah, I'm glad you did.

Yeah, they'll grow out of it. Hopefully.

Greening Up My Act (20:54)
So their marketing says, life in plastic, not so fantastic. huh. Yeah. I did. You still love that song like we all did. ⁓ So they said that that's why we've eliminated all the plastic in our labels and packaging and even developed move by mate, which is I think must be what these leggings are part of, which only uses 8 % spandex, which is

Kat (21:01)
they're Barbie girls. Okay. huh.

Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (21:24)
significantly less synthetic fibers than typical active wear. They say you won't ever find polyester, nylon, or polyamide in our products. I didn't look up what polyamide is, but...

Kat (21:28)
Okay.

Greening Up My Act (21:38)
The thing is, Spandex is plastic. So it's saying plastic free. I'm not trying to split hairs here, but having marketing that says plastic free, I just get confused sometimes because we do this kind of stuff. We do this kind of writing and I get confused who signed off on this. Because it's like, yeah, that's nice. Although, when we were working together, it was like a very...

Kat (21:58)
Right.

Greening Up My Act (22:04)
highly regulated industry, so maybe we're just way more used to it and fashion is just like willy-nilly. Yeah, they say it because it looks good and it sounds good, but it's just so crazy to me. Like, you're not plastic-free.

Kat (22:06)
Right.

whatever they can do.

I'm... I'm...

Yeah, so yeah, because spandex is definitely a type of plastic. It's petroleum-based polymer known for its extreme elasticity. So, yeah. I don't know how you could say that you're plastic-free if it's 8%. I mean, you know, it's less. But, yeah, I don't...

Greening Up My Act (22:24)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's definitely less than a lot of them for sure. it's interesting because that other ⁓ company, ⁓ what was it called? Something Raven, not Fjallraven, Jungmaven, they had leggings that were 5 % spandex, so a little bit less than theirs, but.

Kat (22:42)
Yeah. Why? Okay.

Right. Yeah, that's there's I was just somebody was talking about like trying to replace all my sports bras and the best I can find is 95 % cotton, 5 % spandex. Is that better than 100 % polyester? You know, people are going back and forth. They're like, spandex is known for shedding more microplastics and all. It's like, great. Cool. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (23:09)
Mm-hmm

Right. Yeah. after this, remind me to talk about this. ⁓ Like after this section, remind me to talk about this Instagram post I saw today, because it was actually super relevant and I was like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. ⁓

So they're not really plastic free. They're less plastic for sure. But yeah, I feel like that claim doesn't necessarily hold up. That one feels like a little bit like, OK, maybe I could give them a pass on that. ⁓ Because a lot of their fabrics are better. They use this stuff called Tencel. Have you run into that? Yeah, and apparently it is better. So better than like a lot of stuff. ⁓

Kat (23:45)
Light. Yeah.

Yeah, I've heard of Tencel, yeah.

Okay.

still feels kind of disingenuous, but okay. I mean, and there is something to be said for like not using plastic in your packaging and stuff. That is big. mean, that's...

Greening Up My Act (24:11)
Yeah, it does, but...

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that was one thing I looked up actually. think that they just use paper. They use cardboard boxes and then paper like tissue wrap or whatever. So, ⁓ cause I was thinking, ⁓ God, is it a composable plastic or composable? But I don't think it was so yeah. But you know, people got to recycle it to make it.

Kat (24:30)
Right. Okay.

Right. Yeah. Okay. Still.

Right. To make it... And you're still cutting down trees and yeah, all these things. We're like...

Greening Up My Act (24:46)
I know, it's like it's never,

⁓ maybe that's a good time to mention because this is exactly...

Kat (24:50)
Yeah, okay.

Greening Up My Act (24:53)
I was watching this guy on Instagram and I'm so annoyed. If I can find it again, it was one of those things where I was scrolling and I was like, ⁓ yeah, he's so right. If I can find his name again, I totally will put it in.

Kat (25:05)
This is the thing

I always just try to send them to you when I cause I'm like, I will forget this. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (25:08)
I should have.

Did I do that? I don't think I did. I might be able to find it. Why doesn't it have history like YouTube does? It's so annoying.

Kat (25:16)
I know just your yeah your view history because you they want you to actively

save it or subscribe or because even if I'll look up a person's name and not be able to find that video because it's like six months old or something you know but yeah they should have it's really

Greening Up My Act (25:21)
True. Ugh.

Right. Yeah. It's so annoying.

It's very not user friendly, but anyway, this guy was saying, you know, if I'm an environmentalist, a lot of people would look at this. I think he had a fleece, some kind of fleece on and, or like polyester, some sort of like jacket that was like, you know, he said it's not made out of linen. He said a lot of people would look at this and be like, what are you doing wearing that if you're environmentalist? And he's like, well,

Kat (25:50)
Right.

Greening Up My Act (25:57)
I already have it. So this...

Kat (26:01)
Yes, that's way better than buying

a new one or yeah.

Greening Up My Act (26:05)
Yeah. He's like, yes, it's going to shed microplastics. Yes, it's going to, you know, whatever, but like it's going to shed microplastics, even if it's in the landfill. So I would rather just have this and use it and not buy something else and then create another whole other slew of stuff that I didn't need if this works perfectly fine. So he's like, you know, it was a good reminder of we don't need to go out probably looking for organic cotton leggings.

Kat (26:33)
Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (26:35)
Unless we really need leggings. Unless we have no pairs of leggings and we must have leggings. It's like, I saw a lot of people on Reddit were saying, I'm trying to replace my closet with better whatever. But it's like, that's not the right approach actually. We need to keep that in mind. It might make us feel good. Like, I did a thing, but actually just keep the stuff you have.

Kat (26:37)
Yeah. Yeah. We must wear leggings.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

I cut down this entire forest so that I could replace it with trees that will take 30 years to grow. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (27:07)
Mm hmm.

Yes. Yep. Totally. Carbon offsets. Yeah. So yeah, ⁓ the next one was so interesting. The circular claim. So they claim that they have this circular system. And actually, I'm pretty sure the Good On You review highlighted this as like, this is like something really cool that they do. Because it basically, well, actually, I'll just read it.

Kat (27:12)
Yep.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (27:37)
The best mates are the ones that come back around through our recycling program. They say our recycling program. We take your old garments back and give them new life. ⁓ wait, you know, am I wrong about this? Because it says they give them new life as another mate product. Shoot. I need to look into this more because in the FAQs, they... Hang on, hang on. Let me just read what I wrote.

Kat (27:45)
Okay.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (28:08)
Cause there's also, give you, it's sort of like this other recycling program that is a take back, take back bag where you can buy it. You spend $20, you buy this take back bag and then you get to send them your old mate clothes or whatever. I'm going to have to look into this more and then I will

come back next episode and sort of confirm. But the annoying thing is like this take back bag, I really feel like I'm right, but maybe I'm not right. ⁓ The take back bag is just from this other random platform called Trashy.

Kat (28:38)
Okay.

Yes, I have scouting ads for Trashy. Yes. Yes.

Greening Up My Act (28:54)
I'm not surprised.

Yeah, and anybody can do that at any time. And also you earn rewards when you use Trashy yourself. So I'm like...

Kat (29:05)
So they're stealing the rewards from you, kinda.

Greening Up My Act (29:07)
I don't if they're stealing.

It's just sort of different because ⁓ you pay them $20 for the bag. They give you $20 in credit. So your $20 is you'll have to use it toward mate. So I don't think it's cash back with trashies. not like you're money, but it's some kind of reward and it's probably more flexible than just a mate.

Kat (29:14)
Right.

Okay.

towards mate projects. Yeah.

Right.

You can only shop

at Mate for the rest of your life, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (29:37)
credit. Yes.

Yeah. So I found that really strange. Because, but then on the other hand, the reason I'm really questioning this is because they do say that they collect cutting scraps from their factories and incorporate them into new products with help of a mechanical fiber recycler. So they must have some kind of like on site recycling program. But

Kat (30:02)
Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (30:05)
It's just the way it's marketed is very confusing because I'm like...

I should just look at their FAQs again because...

Kat (30:15)
Well, and

I'm going to say, because we had like a whole thing about how hard it is to recycle blends, especially cotton with, you know, I cotton to recycle in the first place, but also then if it has a blend of this plastic elements, because you have to like melt the plastic out and without burning the cotton, there's all these things that you have to like do to separate them. So it's like almost impossible to recycle stretchy jeans or leggings or anything that's a blend.

Greening Up My Act (30:31)
Yes.

Yes, exactly. ⁓

Okay.

Kat (30:49)
or at least to turn it into a new garment. could mulch it up and use it as filling for pillows or mattresses or something, but to create a new garment out of it is really difficult.

Greening Up My Act (31:01)
Yes, yes, I do remember that. So I'm looking at this take back bag. I'm not seeing. It's called Detox Your Closet.

Kat (31:15)
Okay, yeah, I've seen so much about that.

Greening Up My Act (31:16)
Yeah, they definitely...

are not

making it super clear that they're not actually doing it or that you could do it anywhere. So that's the problem. And I can't tell, let me look elsewhere because it says we accept, you know, they kind of frame it as like your old clothes, like our mate clothing, but then they take anything even like stuffed animals because it's not them. So let me see. Hmm. Yeah.

Kat (31:48)
Yeah. Right.

So looks like it, so I'm just looking at the Take Back Bag and

on Trashy it says, turn your unwanted clothing into rewards from your favorite brands. So it sounds like, okay. Sounds like they just, it's really interesting. The first result of my thing is a Buzzfeed article about Trashy Take Back Bag review, why I won't be reusing it next time I'm sticking with Goodwill. And that's a sponsored result from Buzzfeed when you look up Trashy Take Back.

Greening Up My Act (32:00)
Okay.

interesting.

That is so interesting. All right, I might have to look at their impact report more closely. So I didn't actually look at this report very closely because they haven't released an impact. They did actually release, I'm going to get into this, just say it now, they did release an impact report, Mate did, which is pretty big.

Kat (32:46)
Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (32:48)
Okay. But they haven't released a new one since 2020.

Kat (32:54)
That's a thing we keep finding to be true, isn't it? It's like there was this push and then now everybody's kind of ignoring it. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (32:56)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I'm seeing in their impact report, says in 2021, we will be launching a, this is already old. It's not, it's past 2021. Yeah. We will be launching a recycled cotton fabric that is made of our own scraps and active wear material. Oh, made of our own scraps and active wear material is 92 % organic cotton. So they did that, but I don't know.

Kat (33:10)
Yeah, it's five years old. Yeah.

There's no impact report on it.

Greening Up My Act (33:29)
It doesn't say if they've says we will be launching it and it doesn't say that they did.

Kat (33:36)
I feel like all of these companies fired all their marketing teams to replace them with AI and they just haven't updated anything.

Greening Up My Act (33:43)
I know. I wonder, or I wonder if it's just so much more difficult than I expected.

Kat (33:52)
That and but like, why not just remove it from your website so that it I guess that their sustainability pages aren't visited enough for it to matter. But it's like, take this old news off your website, you know.

Greening Up My Act (34:02)
Yeah.

I know. it, yes. Yeah. And it was true with Quince, I feel like. I don't know if theirs was outdated, but it wasn't, there wasn't information, I think.

Kat (34:07)
Cause that was true with Rent the Runway, that was true with...

Yeah.

It

wasn't aware of it. just, yeah, it hasn't been updated. our sustainability goals are for 2024 and it's like, hey man, it's 2026 now. So what happened? Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (34:20)
Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, so I'm not seeing anything else, but I feel like I'm right to be confused because they say they're going to do it, but they never, they have no proof that they did it. So, so anyway, I found that like, yeah, kind of wild that they're like, this is a thing that we can put on our sustainability page as if it's something that we do, but there's no proof. And also most of what we do is through a different.

Kat (34:42)
Right, no evidence.

Greening Up My Act (35:01)
It's the other company doing it.

Kat (35:01)
Right. And no one's going to, no one's going to call us out on it. Like they just

ticked a box, you know, like it's the EOE label on your, you know, we are an equal opportunity employer. do not discriminate based on data, but they're like, what are you actively doing to ensure this? Like, how are you training people? How are you, how are your processes changing in your company? No, it's just a little tick box we have to do. You know? Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (35:08)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

And again, they are still a certified B corporation, which does mean something, but I don't know how often those are reviewed.

Kat (35:37)
Can you explain what a certified B corporation is real quick?

Greening Up My Act (35:41)
Kind of. Yeah, I I looked it up. It's basically you... I don't know everything about it, but it's basically you have to comply with a bunch of requirements. So you have to... And I might be mixing... Because I looked into that other... The certification that they had, the climate change certification or whatever, and that had like three...

Kat (35:43)
sphere.

Okay, yeah.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (36:10)
which I'm actually going to talk to you. What did it have? think I wrote it down. ⁓ yeah.

that had for that one and I'm actually not surprised that they didn't continue this because you had to submit a minimum of two reduction action plans that describe specific actions to reduce emissions within the next 12 to 24 months. short period of time which is great. Yeah and that's like okay yeah like act now not like in 10 years. I appreciate that.

Kat (36:31)
Yeah, that's a quick time frame. Yeah.

Yeah. Or

not like come up with a plan to act in 10 years. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (36:43)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, exactly. Like in 10 years, we'll come up with a plan for the next 10 years.

Kat (36:48)
Right. We

plan to have a plan to have a plan to reduce emissions by 2050. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (36:52)
awful. Yes.

⁓ You have to create a climate transition budget. You have to perform advocacy. Like you have to do all of these things. That's for that one ⁓ climate. What's it called? Climate. Climate change. Why did I not write it down? I thought I must have deleted it accidentally. But anyway, it's like climate change project or something to get their certification.

So for a B corporation, it's similar. basically have to have proof that you're your workers well, that you're tracking your emissions, that you're doing your best to reduce your emissions. Yeah, there's a bunch of different factors that go into it, but it's legit.

Kat (37:50)
Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (37:51)
I think kind of difficult to keep up with. So I'm not surprised that they don't have both of these going at the same time. That seems like a fricking lot of work, but you got to take it off your website. yeah, they are a certified B corporation. Again, I am curious how often they get reviewed.

Kat (38:01)
Yeah. Yes.

Right. Is that like an annual certification or is it? Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (38:15)
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm curious. We should like maybe have an episode about that. We could even ask, like, you know, reach out to somebody at, because it's like a nonprofit is they run the certification. So I'm sure somebody would chat with us. But, no, no, behind the scenes. Yeah, I don't want to interview people. I mean, it's not that I don't want to. It's just different.

Kat (38:19)
Yeah, maybe about, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Not that we do interviews. Don't get us wrong. Yes, just research, you guys. Yeah.

The logistics are hard.

Greening Up My Act (38:44)
Yeah, it's also different vibes. I feel like

Kat (38:44)
Yeah. It is. It very much is.

Greening Up My Act (38:47)
any podcast I listen to where it's normally two people talking, I absolutely despise when they bring in a guest. I'm like, what are you doing? This is not right.

Kat (38:52)
Yeah, yeah, like get off my podcast.

I don't want to listen to this or like I fast forward through it. I'm like,

Greening Up My Act (38:58)
Yes.

Yeah. If they normally have a guest, great. If they normally don't, what are you doing? No, it's fine. It's fine. But yes. Although to be fair, I have found some of my favorite podcasts through interviews with other podcasts. yeah. Yeah. We really should probably try to go on other shows, but we'll do it eventually. ⁓ Yes. So.

Kat (39:06)
Quit interviewing my friends while they talk.

I think that's, yeah, that's what often happens.

Someday when the world is less crazy for us.

Greening Up My Act (39:28)
⁓ last, maybe I don't remember which episode it was, but I talked a little bit about organic cotton and how the, either the G O T S it's an acronym, certification is like the goat of organic. It's yeah, that means that it's actually organic cotton. their organic cotton that they use is certified, gots certified, goats certified, whatever. Goat certified, certified goat hair.

Kat (39:37)
Yes. Yeah.

Yes, the Guts Goat, yeah.

Okay, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (39:58)
so that's good. So it's, it is actually organic cotton, which I'm not super surprised because they're based in the United States. And that is, yeah, at least historically.

Kat (40:06)
Right, let's have some more control over that. Yeah.

Right. ⁓ For now. Nice organic, you know, thing you

got there if you can keep it. But yeah.

Greening Up My Act (40:20)
⁓ But the funny, it's funny not funny thing that their website says is that their organic cotton product uses significantly less water and less carbon compared to non-organic conventional materials. But we learned from the wire cutter that organic cotton actually uses more water because it needs more land to grow.

Kat (40:39)
Right. Yes.

So like, yes, an individual head of cotton will use less water maybe, but overall the water will be, yeah, more just because the land needed to grow enough of it to make, yeah, an item or items.

Greening Up My Act (40:46)
Lots of just claims thrown out there.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so lots of,

you know, it's like...

Nobody's checking this stuff. It's just like, imagine I can like picture the person in the marketing team writing this stuff and they're like, maybe AI now even, yeah.

Kat (41:06)
Yeah.

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Like what sounds good and yeah, and what intern is checking that. Yeah. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (41:17)
Mm-hmm. What's a key word? Yeah.

So ⁓ yeah, so that's their certified claim. I would say they are half certified. Half as certified as they claim to be, but not that they're uncertified. So sort of take that as you wish. Is this something a normal person could afford? That's the next question we ask.

Kat (41:33)
Okay. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (41:49)
I'm curious of your thoughts on this price. How much do you think the organic stretch midi leggings with pockets are?

Kat (41:56)
I hate to say this, but I'm guessing it's at least $75. At least. Okay. Yeah, it's going to be a hundred. Okay. 85, 90, 98. Okay. $100. That was my first guess. And I was like, no way. Cause like, and Taylor Loft was selling leggings for 20 bucks, you know? And it's like, that feels right to me. Buy new leggings for $20. That feels safe.

Greening Up My Act (42:02)
higher. You're not too far off.

98.

It feels like a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah, $100. So

Kat (42:27)
dollars

I mean, OK, maybe you're only buying two pairs, one pair.

Greening Up My Act (42:37)
Yeah, for the rest of your life.

Kat (42:38)
Right.

Greening Up My Act (42:40)
Yeah, the crazy thing is, and yes, this definitely shed way more microplastics, but ⁓ I had a pair of junky ones, like $15 from, I still have them actually. They've turned into my paint pants because I paint so many things around our house that they've turned into my paint pants and they're absolutely covered. I should take a picture of them ⁓ But they lasted me at least 15 years, probably longer.

Kat (42:44)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

I have old Navy workout leggings that I bought eight, nine years ago.

Greening Up My Act (43:17)
for 400 or 400 cents is what I was thinking.

Kat (43:19)
Yeah, 400 cents. Yeah,

they were probably 15 bucks and they were like new, you know, I have sports bras that I

Greening Up My Act (43:22)
Yeah.

I know. And that was the other thing. I would love to have sports bras and stuff that aren't just like... Well, gross.

Kat (43:28)
Maybe. ⁓ yeah. Yuck. Yikes.

Gross.

I mean, they're not even gross.

They're fine. like coordinated. You that too. I've never cared about looking good at the gym or on a run or something. I mean, there's probably stuff that's like, oh, this actually. The other thing is I'm not well endowed, so like I could go running without a sports bra. So I wanted to, you know, sorry, ladies. I know that's kind of unfair and privilege of me to say, but I could.

Greening Up My Act (43:47)
Well, no, I was going to say they are just like pure plastic, but... ⁓

Mm-hmm.

Kat (44:13)
I don't really need them per se, you know? So it's not like it's necessarily like a comfort thing to me. Cause I, it's not like I got to strap, strap these hefty things down and keep them from hitting me in the face when I run. And I know that it can be extremely painful for women who are, who have larger breasts and that you need a sports bra that works for me that has never, I, I cannot justify spending more money on this thing that I'm just wearing to sweat, you know?

Greening Up My Act (44:15)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Kat (44:41)
I'd love for it to not be plastic, but you know, I have three or four of them and you know, I wear them to run and to the gym and yeah. My adidas one I got from Costco 20 years ago still doing its job.

Greening Up My Act (44:44)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and at this point we have it. We already own it.

Yeah.

Yeah. One of the things that was a theme on Reddit for Mate was that their cotton, I think they make cotton bras and stuff, like sports bras. They said they just don't support.

Kat (45:12)
Yeah, they're decorative. They're not really for sports.

Greening Up My Act (45:14)
Yeah. Which is funny

because I got years ago, I think I was like 20, ⁓ I got like a three pack of cotton sports bras from Walmart.

Kat (45:30)
Yep.

Yes, I also did the same. think I finally threw the last one away a year or two ago when I was like, hmm.

Greening Up My Act (45:40)
Yeah, when you can see the band coming through the... because it's so worn out. Yeah, that's how mine were. Yeah, that's so funny. Those are cotton.

Kat (45:43)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But I, yeah. And I didn't

need a Lulu Lemon sticker on my back when I went running. and that was before, that was when, sorry, my right leg is falling asleep and I have to move this. But that was before like Lulu Lemon was a thing and like, athleisure wasn't what you wore like, my God. Yeah. Sorry, my, sorry. Hey baby. My new, yeah, this is amazing. My,

Greening Up My Act (45:53)
Mm-hmm.

No, it wasn't an outfit. It was under clothing. Yeah. ⁓ my God.

If you're watching on YouTube, really should watch on YouTube. We're

going on a ride.

Kat (46:20)
There we go. My new webcam, that was hilarious. It like fell and still followed my face. Yeah. Hi friend. But then when it like, I was trying to fix it and it like looked at the ceilings like, where is she? Where is she? ⁓ see it just fell again and it readjusted. This is creepy. Hi baby. So anyway, yeah, I got to name this camera. It's Hal. Hello, Hal. Yeah. Thanks to, ⁓ they've got a kitty cat.

Greening Up My Act (46:27)
weird. Ew.

Ew, weird. Hi baby. Hi friend. Man, mine's not that fancy. I have to manually move mine.

yes, this is Taco. She's awake now.

Kat (46:52)
Hi, Taco.

Yes, time to climb in your lap. But yeah, like I was in Charleston, South Carolina two weekends ago ⁓ and I was out on a Sunday morning looking around and all of the college-age girls are wearing athleisure. They're not working out. They're going to brunch with their friends, you know, and it's not like, I mean, you know, when I was in my...

Greening Up My Act (46:55)
You want us?

Yeah.

Kat (47:19)
late 20s, early 30s, yeah, we might wear athleisure once in while, but this is like your uniform now. So you want the label and you want, know, whereas before it was like, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (47:23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you want the label on the outside maybe even.

I think Lululemon's is. I'm so not in touch with current fashion that I wouldn't even know that, but I'm embarrassing to some people I'm sure, but I like myself, so it's okay. Yes. That is really interesting. It's true. Yeah. It was like just becoming a thing when I was in college, but not nearly to that extent.

Kat (47:42)
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I'm fine as I am, I guess. But yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah.

Yeah. No.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (47:57)
It

was still weird if somebody just wore a sports bra around.

Kat (48:01)
Yes, that was the thing. If you wore a sports bra, you wore something over it. At least a tank top. But now it's just a sports bra. Like to the airport, you know? And I'm like, more power to you, girl, but aren't you freezing?

Greening Up My Act (48:04)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, totally.

Kat (48:14)
Like the bike shorts and the sports bra. I'm like, be comfy girl, I get it. like, what?

Greening Up My Act (48:19)
Yeah, sometimes sports bras aren't even that comfortable.

Kat (48:20)
No,

I don't like wearing them for longer than I have to.

Greening Up My Act (48:23)
Yeah.

Kat (48:26)
So anyway, all right.

Greening Up My Act (48:26)
Yeah,

that's funny. I think that was all I had for that. yeah, expensive. Very expensive, I think. I mean, maybe like if... Yeah. The other thing, which I'm gonna get into in a second, but the quality is not good.

Kat (48:30)
So maybe not affordable.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (48:52)
This is hearsay. I didn't try them. Yes. So many people were saying the quality wasn't good. So I'm like for $98 and the seams are going to come out and you're supposed to be sustainable. Like this, that bugs me. I'm not saying they're all bad quality, but a lot of people were saying like, Oh, I got my thing and it was wonky and it was thin and

Kat (48:53)
Okay, this is what Reddit told you, right?

No, unacceptable. Right? Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (49:21)
like crooked and didn't fit right and yeah and I'm just like this is that's kind of crazy. ⁓ So overall does the earth friendly message need to come back to earth?

Kat (49:22)
No craftsmanship, yeah.

That's not worth it. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (49:38)
Some, yeah. I wouldn't say it needs to come crashing back to Earth, but it needs some work. It needs some tweaking. ⁓ Interestingly, Good On You labeled them great, which they had labeled Quince not good. I don't remember what it was. It was like not good or poor. Not good. They weren't rave reviewing about Quince. I think the difference is it's

Kat (49:53)
Okay.

Okay. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (50:07)
this company actually does have, they are a B Corp certified.

Kat (50:11)
Okay,

an American factory. One American factory as opposed to like 17 Cambodian and Chinese factories, you know.

Greening Up My Act (50:13)
Yes.

Yeah, it

looked like they were actually several American factories, but they're all in LA. ⁓ And then one in Peru, but it looked like, but it looked like it, I didn't read too much into it, but look at this. you see?

Kat (50:22)
Okay. Okay. But yeah. ⁓

Hi.

She's like, can I have your headphones please?

Greening Up My Act (50:39)
So this may not, I may not be allowed to end this episode because I'm being attacked by cats. ⁓ But yeah, the Peru one, it looked like they partnered with either a nonprofit or ⁓ sort of like a fair trade group that it was like women handcrafted. I'm hitting things. Yes, definitely. But it kind of seems like.

Kat (50:43)
Ha ha ha

Okay, okay.

Okay, so more transparent than Clint's was, at least. Okay, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (51:07)
Something happened in 2020 and I couldn't get to the bottom of it. COVID maybe. What happened again? don't remember. Nothing big. ⁓ But people say pre 2020, the quality of their stuff was really good. And then if you thrift it, you're probably going to have like still really good quality stuff if it was from then, but that something kind of shifted and quality has gone down. They haven't.

Kat (51:11)
Yeah, that thing that happened around the world. What happened in 2020? Can't remember. Rough here for some.

Okay.

Probably blame it on supply

chain. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (51:37)
Yeah,

they haven't done their impact report. I don't know. I couldn't figure it out. was like, were you bought out by like a bigger company? I don't know. But I don't think so. That often happens if you are. But, ⁓ they also have a 2.4 on TrustPilot, which is better than Quince, but not good. Yeah. A lot of it was again, frustration over refunds.

Kat (51:49)
Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, but not great. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (52:07)
a very confusing refund process. Somebody was saying that they weren't refunded their full amount, which they were like $50 short and a couple people. Yeah, I'm like, that's weird. Yeah. So it just didn't seem great. One Reddit user said overall, oh no, this might've been on Trustpilot. Overall, this company seems to succeed on good advertising only.

Kat (52:15)
Okay.

That's...

sketchy.

Uh-huh.

Greening Up My Act (52:35)
Like, yeah, okay, yeah. Another option you could consider, they didn't have like, they had better but not fantastic trust pilot reviews was Jungmaven, which is J-U-N-G-M-A-V-E-N. They use hemp, cotton, and only 5 % spandex. Some people say they prefer it to mate, other people are like, ⁓ it's crap. So I don't know. ⁓

Kat (52:36)
⁓ bummer. Yeah, get it.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (53:07)
tricky because I was really interested in like overall I was interested in cotton leggings and now I'm realizing I have four pairs of leggings.

Kat (53:16)
Right.

rate.

Greening Up My Act (53:24)
so it's okay if they're not cotton. Not to mention we learned that products release fewer microplastics over time than when they're brand new. So getting something brand new.

Kat (53:35)
Yeah, so better to have an old,

yeah, than a new one.

Greening Up My Act (53:39)
Yeah.

so. ⁓

to wrap it up, granola rating. We need like some music for that. If you're new here, ⁓ we rate each product one to five granolas based on how crunchy it is. Basically how much Green Hooey, which is what we call green washing, they're using. And like how crunchy are their claims? You want it to be super crunchy, because that's just you.

Kat (53:46)
Granola rating! Wee!

5 out of 5 would be the crunchiest you could get. Break your tooth off.

Greening Up My Act (54:15)
Yeah. Yes.

So it goes soggy to mushy to chewy to crunchy to break your teeth off. This one I gave a three. So chewy because I couldn't justify giving them the same as quince, which was mushy because they are a b-core, but it seems like something kind of weird going on behind the scenes. I cannot say that for sure, but I feel chaos and I've been in chaos.

Kat (54:24)
Okay.

Greening Up My Act (54:45)
companies with chaos. yes, and I sense it. So just a guess, but that's kind of what I'm thinking. ⁓ yeah. So, you know, if you need new leggings, I actually don't know if I would recommend these.

Kat (54:47)
So you know, you know chaos. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah,

Greening Up My Act (55:05)
I'm not

sure, mostly for the quality problems that people are talking about.

Kat (55:08)
Maybe if you can thrift,

wouldn't even know where to find like what they look like. So, ⁓ but good to know. know, again, I haven't been on the hunt for new leggings in a long time. So.

Greening Up My Act (55:22)
Mm-hmm.

Kat (55:25)
I'll probably just do what I always do and like, what's on sale? ⁓ God. It's so bad.

Greening Up My Act (55:30)
Yep.

Yeah, I actually had one pair of sweatpants for five years, probably. And I have so few clothes, it's kind of hilarious. This is not a flex. It's absurd, because I had these sweatpants that I only wore inside, so I wasn't wearing them around, which you'll see why.

Kat (55:44)
That's great.

haha

Greening Up My Act (55:55)
but

I had like a hole in the crotch that kept growing and growing and I was like, eventually.

Kat (55:59)
Yep. I don't have to lower

them to P. That's maybe not a good sign.

Greening Up My Act (56:07)
I mentioned it, was like, this is embarrassing. I need new sweatpants. So I did get some new ones and I love them. And I got them from Gap, so sue me. ⁓ They were like 30 bucks. I found, I was looking for some more like sustainable options, quote unquote, but they were so expensive. Yeah.

Kat (56:27)
Yeah, they're really pricey. I got

some from PACT, I think. And yeah.

Greening Up My Act (56:32)
yeah, Pact is better.

I looked at theirs. Theirs weren't very well rated.

Kat (56:37)
Yeah, I think the quality. But yeah, it's just like.

Greening Up My Act (56:41)
Because that's like,

have to, yeah, it's like you have to balance reviews and kind like what people are saying with, because I'm kind of like, if I buy something that's not quote unquote as sustainable, but I keep it for 100 years like I always do, maybe I'm, maybe the balance is out.

Kat (56:45)
Yeah.

Yeah.

And also, so I'm wearing this pair that I got from Tarjay probably five or six years ago, seven years ago. And they don't fit great. They're not sexy. I mean, they fit. They're fine. They, I feel like a schlub when I wear them, but they're, they don't have holes in them. They're functional. I can wash the frick out of them, you know? ⁓ and they're fine. They are pant. They are pant. And they pant.

Greening Up My Act (57:03)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. They pant successfully.

Yeah.

Kat (57:27)
And

yeah, I, yeah, they're fine. You know, and I, I keep being like, I should get rid of those. Cause I don't feel great in them. But I'm like, you know what? I'm still at this point where life has been so rough and terrible that like, they're comfy. And, and that is what I am prioritizing over feeling like I'm put together right now. And if I ever have to, you know, and I do have times when I have to be put together and

Greening Up My Act (57:43)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

I was gonna say you're more put together than I ever am these days. More often, for sure.

Kat (58:00)
not on a day-to-day basis

probably, but you know, like it's fine to have these comfy pants and you know, Sean can joke about how much he hates sweatpants all he wants. Guess what? You don't have to wear them. I'm wearing them and I'm fine with it. So anyway.

Greening Up My Act (58:18)
Yeah, exactly.

You do have to see me and that is your problem.

Kat (58:21)
I apologize, but I'm like, you

only work from home one day a week. So sorry. I'm like, my nose just decided to cave in on me.

Greening Up My Act (58:26)
Yeah. No, no.

That's awful. I hate that is the worst. You're like all of sudden in an avalanche of.

Kat (58:34)
the night time when you're, I've got probably a head cold coming. I'm coughing and I've got the sniff, I don't have a fever or anything, but I do love also that my camera is like cattywampus. It's looking at me like, so I could see in my thing that I'm like a little.

Greening Up My Act (58:38)
Mm-hmm.

You'd think it could straighten itself out if it could follow you. ⁓ weird.

Kat (58:53)
It has moved. It has...

It's very strange to be staring down the eye of this beast. It's cocked its head at me.

Greening Up My Act (58:59)
I see what you're saying. It's still a little

bit crooked.

Kat (59:04)
Let's fix you baby. Hi. There we go. I just wasn't going to mess with it because I didn't want to, but it was like, it looked like a dog that was like questioning you. was like, Yeah, probably it's going to eat me in my sleep. But anyway, the robots are coming. Hmm. Bones. Bones inside of you. Okay. Yes. I'm glad.

Greening Up My Act (59:12)
So weird.

Yeah, like, do you have meat? Yeah. Bacon? Are you made of meat? Oh man. Well, this was good. This was a a nice reprieve.

Um, so up next week, I wrote down, you're doing sustainable undies. I'm so interested.

Kat (59:36)
Yes, sustainable undies.

Yeah, so I'll have to look into that. And this is probably, I should probably do some shopping because I don't know if we've told the listeners to see that. I think we did, but I no longer have a uterus, so I no longer have a period, so I can get rid of my period panties and all of those gross undies you wear around your period when you're not sure if you're going to bleed or not.

Greening Up My Act (1:00:02)
Mm-hmm.

Kat (1:00:03)
and get something nice to wear maybe. But again, I have underwear, I'm kind of like, do I need something new? And it's five-year-old underwear, so.

Greening Up My Act (1:00:14)
Well, okay, I was gonna say you're allowed to treat yourself to some underwear. Also, if you went through massive surgery, it's like, you know, you're allowed to get underwear.

Kat (1:00:18)
Yeah, I guess so.

Girl, yeah, I'm allowed to

celebrate the fact that I'm never having a period again. So yeah, maybe I'll opt for some, I'll find it. You sent me some articles to read, so I will let you all know.

Greening Up My Act (1:00:28)
Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I'm curious. Because I was like,

home? Makes sense though, right?

Kat (1:00:39)
Yeah,

yeah. Like, because there have been times where I'm just like, I'm just gonna buy that 10 pack of Hanes.

Greening Up My Act (1:00:47)
That's kind of what I do, actually.

Kat (1:00:49)
Yeah, cotton undies.

Greening Up My Act (1:00:51)
Yoinks. We're learning everything about ourselves that we're doing wrong. Well, you know, no one's perfect. Cool. All right. Well, yeah, thank you. I had an idea for what to tell or ask, not tell, ask people to do. Yes. If you are.

Kat (1:00:55)
I know we're like, shoot, but yeah. Okay. So that's next week. Yeah. Good.

Thank you.

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Greening Up My Act (1:01:20)
new here. You may not have heard me request this before, but I'm going to start the music. Download our episodes. That would be awesome.

Kat (1:01:31)
yes, that's

the only way we know that you listened, unless you're on YouTube. So if you download it.

Greening Up My Act (1:01:34)
Yeah. Or on,

yeah, I mean, you can see listeners, it's not, ugh, it's complicated. Downloads are so much easier and they just help us. And it's, I would say all of your podcasts that you like, just download them. Saves your data. It's better. So that would be awesome. Thank you. Bye.

Kat (1:01:40)
Yeah. Yeah.

Download them. Yep.

All right, see you next week.