Tiff (00:00)
Hi Kat! How are yaF fabulous! That's good I'm good. I'm just trying to get my notes to where I can only... Yeah. Yeah, it's hard.

Kat (00:02)
Hello Tiffany. Fabulous, you?

You can read them and record. Based on last week's episode, we should probably have like our notes printed or something except I'm not going to waste the paper on that, but...

Greening Up My Act (00:21)
Right. So we don't read them off of a screen. Yes, you're right. You're right.

Kat (00:25)
They're not off screens, yeah. But I always have the notes. So you can see me, I'm looking off over here like, so this study says that da da da da da, and then I look back and then, and then when I'm thinking, go, ah, I notice when I watch the playback, I'm like, okay, I have trouble looking into the camera.

Greening Up My Act (00:33)
Yeah. Yeah.

I know.

No, I know. Well, yeah. And my new camera is like way above, so I'd have to look like this. And I try to. So I'm like looking in the camera, but then I'm not looking even anywhere near. So ⁓ it's a whole thing. But luckily nobody cares. Yeah. Yes, exactly. All right. So today we are talking about absolutely

Kat (00:55)
Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, if they did, they haven't told us. So thank you for not telling us.

Greening Up My Act (01:11)
Getting so much passionate joy out of demolishing and destroying invasive plants. everyone knows, almost everyone knows about kudzu. I feel like, yeah, or the South. Just like anytime I've, because I've gotten really into invasive plants in the last year.

Kat (01:19)
Good job.

I love it.

If you've spent any time on the East coast in the South. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (01:41)
And anytime I mention it, people are like, like kudzu? And I was like, why does everyone know only about kudzu? Cause I was the same. was like, I had heard of kudzu when I was a kid. And I was like, why the hell is this the only one that anybody is aware of?

Kat (01:48)
Yeah. Yeah.

I wrote a poem about it in middle school. Anyway, okay, yeah. Yeah, when we lived in Maryland, yeah. I don't remember the, I just specifically remember, because I always called it kudzu.

Greening Up My Act (02:01)
You did?

Okay

Okay, I might be pronouncing it wrong actually. it is, it's actually Japanese. I'm gonna say kudzu because that's just in my my brain, but ⁓ no, there are so many poems about it we're gonna talk about that. It's so fascinating, but like people know about kudzu, but they don't know about the other shit that is actually worse. Unfortunately.

Kat (02:10)
No, you're probably right. I think it's kudzu.

Yeah, I don't know. Okay.

Interesting.

Mm-hmm. ⁓ okay.

Greening Up My Act (02:39)
So, cause it was like, remember when I was young and everyone, there was just this whole like flurry of cuds, talk about kudzu and how it's taking over and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And then the conversation kind of stopped and then yeah, we never started it back up again and we never started talking about the other plants that are taking over. So I wanted to find out why, like what's up, what's going on. And so.

Kat (02:47)
Right, and can't do anything about it, yeah.

Yeah, I haven't.

Greening Up My Act (03:07)
Here today, we're gonna see where I got in my search for answers. Welcome to Greening up my Act

All right, sweet. Quick drink. Quick sippy sip. ⁓ First off, did I know you lived in Maryland? You just said you lived in Maryland.

Kat (03:29)
I tried to take a drink before the, yeah.

Yeah,

maybe I've mentioned it. When I was 10, we moved to Gaithersburg for two years. ⁓ okay. When I was 10, we moved to Gaithersburg for two years. And then I lived in DC for college. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (03:45)
What? I don't think you ever told me that.

⁓

I knew you I knew that that's so interesting. Was it for your dad's job?

Kat (03:56)
Yeah,

he worked for Department of Energy or Department of Defense.

Greening Up My Act (04:02)
So funny, I lived in Rockville for like a year. Yeah, I know. wow. Okay, that's crazy. anyway, ⁓ all right. So a little bit about my sources seals. ⁓ Funny that you say that because I use the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. They have this PDF that I'm gonna link to ⁓ that's like.

Kat (04:22)
Nice, nice.

Greening Up My Act (04:27)
What do they call it? An invasive plants card? It's sort of like something you can have to pull up and like...

Kat (04:32)
You're like, this

is... Who needs to be destroyed today? Who gets the flamethrower?

Greening Up My Act (04:36)
Yes,

exactly. I used The Nature Conservancy. I used ⁓ Smithsonian Magazine. And I used The Forest Service. yeah, lot of this today. OK, so I was originally going to start off with what is an evasive blah, blah. I'm going to get into that after I talk about my personal reason for hating them.

Kat (04:48)
Nice.

Greening Up My Act (05:04)
⁓ hold on one second while I cough.

Kat (05:06)
Okay.

Greening Up My Act (05:10)
Alright, coughed, done. Cough complete. ⁓ So yeah, so the reason I despise them is because we bought a house and it is being absolutely overtaken with invasives. And I had no clue. And it feels like I had no clue until it was too late, but it's not too late. It's never too late. ⁓

Some of them is my neighbor's woods because I have woods on both sides of us. One of them is a managed yard and the other is just woods. So this woman has said, I've probably mentioned this before, she has said that she wants to return her woods to nature. She told not me this because I've only met her once when my dog escaped and ran over to her property. She seems really nice and really reasonable. I don't like confrontation.

Kat (05:56)
Right. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (06:08)
So this is something I'm going to work on. ⁓ But it is insane how much stuff is coming from her woods. so currently, we had our whole fence. have on this back in our backyard, we have half an acre of fence basically, like surrounding whatever. And

three-fourths of it is covered with Japanese honeysuckle. And it's also starting to go down on the ground in this area that we can't mow because it's too steep. So it's, I had planted like some random, ⁓ I had tried to plant wildflowers there. Gono. Yeah, goners. ⁓ It is just like this tangled mass of vine all over the place.

Kat (06:38)
⁓

⁓ no.

Yeah.

Didn't, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (07:04)
I hired somebody, it's actually this like, I think they're called EcoWorks or something, I don't remember the name, but they're like an invasive species destroyer. That's not what they call themselves, yes. And they came and I paid three to $400, I think probably 400, for two people to come for three hours, I think, three or four hours. And they literally covered...

Kat (07:14)
⁓ ooh, specialists, right.

Greening Up My Act (07:34)
10 feet of my fence. Yeah, they ripped it up by hand, but 10 feet of it.

Kat (07:37)
my God.

That's not sustainable. ⁓ my God.

Greening Up My Act (07:44)
And I was like, I don't have a million dollars and I don't have a million hours. So I'm a little feeling a little stuck. ⁓ But I have found some solutions because I know so many people who have yards are dealing with this. And most people don't know. That's the scary thing. Mine is.

Kat (07:46)
Yeah, I can't be here.

Well, I'm sure your neighbor

doesn't know that she's like giving it back to the forest, but she doesn't know that she's giving it back to the invasive species.

Greening Up My Act (08:08)
Yes.

I know, because that's the thing. It's like now, 50 years ago, you could have done that. Maybe. I don't even think 50, but maybe you could have just given it back to nature or whatever. But now, it's not possible. It's just, it's not an option, especially on the East Coast, but also on the West Coast. So, I also...

Kat (08:21)
Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (08:39)
I think that's a very Western idea, like Christian idea of us being separate from nature. And I learned this from like Braiding Sweetgrass, where in this book specifically talks about Native American culture, but I think in a lot of other cultures too, it's like, humans are actually part of nature and we have a job to do. And it's our job to manage and ⁓ we aren't doing that. So it's just like, yeah, it's hard. So.

Kat (08:44)
You're right.

Greening Up My Act (09:08)
It first started for me, didn't even, the honeysuckle wasn't even the first thing. For me, it was this thing called the tree of heaven. And I didn't know what it was, but it was in my flower bed and I tried to pull it out when it was not coming out. And so I cut it and then I found out later, if you cut it, actually spreads more. Yes. And so that was the wrong move.

Kat (09:13)
Mm-hmm.

Like a camera. Yeah.

or not a chimera. What is

a hydra? Where you hide, you cut off one head and then other one. Yeah. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (09:38)
Yes. Yes. Yeah. I

think it causes the roots to just like go crazy. So it's still there and I'm still not sure what to do with it. ⁓ but that's the least of my problems right now. ⁓ and then, you know, we've all seen the, well, I don't know if they were there, the spotted lantern fly. You guys had those? Yeah.

Kat (09:44)
hunker down. Yeah. Shoot.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, we don't

have a material yet, but I've seen stuff.

Greening Up My Act (10:03)
No, not

here yet either, but probably coming. ⁓ They are coming. They're not going to just go away. But yeah, that sort of like opened my eyes to, invasive shit. Like what's all this invasive shit? Then I found out about my honeysuckle because I was like, wait a minute.

honeysuckle? Is that not from here? And so I looked it up and it's like the Japanese kind. There is an American honeysuckle.

Kat (10:21)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ Yeah,

like I remember Honeysuckle growing up, like in my grandparents yard and stuff and

Greening Up My Act (10:34)
Right. And I think the American one is probably aggressive, but it's not going to be like this. This is like insane. Yeah. It feels like if you've seen The Last of Us, have you seen it? Yeah. It feels like that. Like it's just coming. Yes. And so ⁓ I also realized that I bought some of the shit by choice. So Japanese barberry.

Kat (10:37)
Yeah. Okay. Taking over and yeah.

Yes, yeah.

Cortisone just crawling. Yeah, okay

Yeah.

⁓

Greening Up My Act (11:03)
is this plant that's sold at this nursery that I went to and I bought some, spent my good money on it, and my dad came over and he's like, rip that up right now. And I was like, God dang it. Okay. So I did. But yeah, they sell them at almost every nursery, unless it's a native nursery, but that's kind of few and far between. Yeah. And

Kat (11:13)
well.

Yeah, I need to check on some stuff I planted a couple months ago. Yeah.

kind of rare, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (11:31)
So then I just did more research and I realized how much these are absolutely taking over our forests. the problem is that, so for example, this honeysuckle is a vine. It vines, it can be thick as like a four by four. That's how thick it can get. And it wraps around the trees and kills the trees if you let it go. So our forests are actually in danger.

Kat (11:51)
Wow.

my gosh. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (12:02)
because of not just honeysuckle, but there's English ivy is really bad. That can also get really, really thick and kill trees. Just there's so many things that are taking over and ⁓ it's something that I can't unsee now when I'm, yes. And it's so upsetting. It's so upsetting. It like hurts my heart every time I drive around really.

Kat (12:18)
Yeah. Now you see it everywhere. Yeah.

Well, I think the hardest, but like for instance, I've got a mimosa tree in my backyard and it is gorgeous. Like it smells so good in the, in May, like last week, this week, it's just, just beautiful. And Sean's like, we got to get rid of that thing because it's going to burrow into your, it's invasive number one, but number two, the roots are going to burrow into you because it seeks water.

Greening Up My Act (12:34)
Mm-hmm.

⁓

Kat (12:53)
So it's going to destroy your pipes and I'm like, but it's so pretty and it's shade in my terrible backyard that, know, but yeah. So anyway.

Greening Up My Act (12:57)
⁓ that's rough.

Yeah,

that is hard. And that's the thing. like, well, I'm going to talk about that next, like where they came from, but like,

They're pretty.

Kat (13:15)
Yeah, they are pretty. They smell good. And they're easy to grow. I mean, even kudzu, yeah, and kudzu is actually pretty. It's green. It's lush, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Tiff (13:17)
For the most part, mean, Honey cycle smells really good.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It served a purpose originally.

We'll talk about that. ⁓ Yeah, so... Yeah. It's hard. But it is true. I have to kill off some lilies that my dad planted, because I think they are invasive. It's touch and go. Yeah, it's a daylily, but there are varieties that don't spread like crazy, but these are really growing fast. And I'm like, I'm worried about that. So that sucks, because...

Kat (13:40)
⁓ Yeah, think, yeah, day lilies are, yeah.

Yeah. They're

gorgeous.

Greening Up My Act (13:54)
There's, yeah, they're pretty and there was nothing there before and it's gonna be so ugly again, but that's okay. I have a lot of ⁓ Black Eyed Susans I can throw over there. ⁓ Is it? ⁓ I didn't know that. It's my favorite.

Kat (14:03)
There you go. State flower, Maryland. Yeah, I think so. If I remember correctly from fifth and sixth grade.

Greening Up My Act (14:15)
my God, you're right. How did I not know that? You know more about Maryland than I do. There you go. You're right. You're right. That's awesome. so, ⁓ yeah. And then I discovered I was walking around my yard this, ⁓ spring and it was beautiful day. And I was like, what is all this stuff on the grass? That's not grass. What is this? And I was like, Hmm, this is everywhere.

Kat (14:17)
I don't know. Well, you know, fifth and sixth grade were formative years for me. So I only remember random facts. That's it.

Greening Up My Act (14:45)
It was like little, they looked like not clover or whatever, but like little leaves.

Kat (14:50)
Oh, I know exactly.

I have them too. I'm pretty sure. Yep.

Greening Up My Act (14:55)
Well, it could be one of a million, but what is it are you thinking of? ⁓ okay.

Kat (14:56)
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it is. But I know what you're describing

sounds exactly what my yard looks like. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (15:01)
There's a bunch of different kinds, some of them aren't so bad. Some of them are like wild violets, but hang on a sec.

dying no I'm ⁓ my throat but ⁓ this has like little yellow flowers does yours get that okay it's probably possibly called lesser selendine and it's uber deduberty invasive

Kat (15:11)
Yeah

no.

⁓

no, okay. Boo.

Greening Up My Act (15:28)
Mine has absolutely taken over like three quarters of my side yard.

in most of my back hair reduction.

Kat (15:38)
And what's, is

it do the same thing as the honeysuckle where it'll just kill? I mean, it kills. Okay. Yeah, that's a pro. So that's the issue with invasive plants is that they kill native ones, which means that wildlife bees, other plants can't function. Right.

Greening Up My Act (15:43)
huh.

Yes.

Exactly. they, yeah, and I'm to talk about that a little bit, but yeah, it's like, if they kill all the trees, what you gonna do? So, yeah, so it's a new joy every day around here. Love it. but it has really, it's been a good learning experience, even though I hate it so much. I hate knowing it. I'm like, I, you know, ignorance is bliss, but I am glad that I know because it sort of kicked

Kat (16:02)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (16:25)
I feel like it's a kick in the pants where I'm like, what the fuck are we going to do about this? Like, really? Like, really? I don't have that answer right now, but maybe one day. ⁓ But first, let's take a break, and then I'll talk a little bit more about what the hell invasive plants even are, where they come from, ⁓ that kind of thing. So.

Kat (16:27)
Yeah, that's my question. Yeah.

Okay.

Okay,

cool.

Greening Up My Act (16:58)
Alrighty. So, okay, what are invasive plants? That is the big question. So they are non native species and they're usually from Asia or from Europe. This is specific to the United States, but obviously it's just they're from somewhere else, right? So there are some invasives and they're taking over Europe ⁓ that are probably from Asia, right? So just they're not native.

Kat (17:04)
Here's the big question, yes.

And even in a country as large as the United States, you can have non-native plants from another region that move in. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (17:37)
Yes,

totally. Because yeah, there's a lot of stuff that's invasive in one spot, but not in another. ⁓ Or sometimes they're aggressive in one spot. Like I think honeysuckle would be considered, like the native one would be considered aggressive because it does take over, but it's not like this. and so they're not only not native because there's like grass is not native, but they spread rapidly in a new environment.

Kat (17:51)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Right.

That's the difference. Yeah,

I was just thinking like tomatoes aren't native, but they're pretty contained.

Greening Up My Act (18:06)
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Those aren't really going to spread. And if they do just pluck them in, they're fine. and they often cause harm to the local ecosystem economy or human health. So.

Kat (18:21)
So

mint, for instance, is invasive, but it's not harmful. It's not going to choke out other plants.

Greening Up My Act (18:28)
Well, I

don't know about mint actually, but yeah, it's probably aggressive. But yeah, exactly. I have heard people talk about mint being nutso though. I haven't ever put it like in a flower bed, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. You're not going to see like wild mint taking over a hillside. Yeah. We should be kind of smell, smell lovely, right?

Kat (18:31)
You can just, you can stop it. Yeah. But it's not gonna kill trees.

It can be crazy. Yeah, you got to keep it in it, but it's not going to jump out of the pot and get into this. Yeah.

Right. Maybe. I'm

kind of thinking about how fresh that feels right now. But yeah.

Greening Up My Act (18:58)
Yeah.

And so it will outcompete native, like you said, outcompete native vegetation for resources like sunlight, water, nutrients, which leads to a decline in biodiversity and less support for birds and insects because it is basically proven that like local trees, native trees provide like way more support, food or shelter or whatever.

to birds and insects than non-native plants, or trees or whatever. ⁓ So if the invasives are killing all the native trees, then what are we gonna do?

Kat (19:30)
Yeah, makes sense.

I, Sean told me something really, I'm sorry, interrupting, but Sean told me something really interesting. ⁓ Earthworms.

Greening Up My Act (19:42)
No.

Kat (19:49)
Invasive to Michigan? Apparently, no.

Greening Up My Act (19:52)
I think, well, it may be a type of earthworm because what I heard is the one with the ring around it. Like there's some that have the ring in the middle. Those are the invasive ones and it's like a kind of worm and the ones without the ring are okay, but maybe Michigan has its own thing going on. I don't know.

Kat (19:59)
Okay. Yeah.

So apparently the understory in forests in Michigan, they didn't ever have earthworms. And so it would decompose using fungus rather than, and now they've got earthworms and it's like changing the way that the vegetation works. yeah, and that's due to probably global warming, but, climate change. But I was like, what? So I haven't read the article, but Sean was just like, yeah, this thing.

Greening Up My Act (20:28)
Whoa.

That's wild.

Whoa, that is crazy. Yeah, that might be a different thing. Because I read recently that we have invasive. I've seen them in my stupid garden. And I tried to kill them. Yeah. I think there's like a jumping worm, which I'm like gross. I don't like that. But I don't know if those are here either. Yeah. No, no, no, no, not at all. But the thing is that

Kat (20:40)
Yeah.

there's some here too that are like terrifying, but yeah.

Yeah, OK. So it's not just plants that are invasive, by the way.

Greening Up My Act (21:09)
What did I call it? That tree? Tree of Heaven. Yeah, it's like one of the hosts of the Spotted Lanternfly. So the Spotted Lanternfly is gonna go find that kind of tree because that's where it's from. So these...

Kat (21:12)
Truth of Heaven, which I'm gonna go look up while you're talking about this, but.

now.

Yep, that's where it, yep.

⁓ yes, I know

Tree of Heaven. They grow in my yard too!

Greening Up My Act (21:35)
Yeah and it's got like pink flowers and they are really pretty. They're super easy to spread.

Kat (21:38)
Yeah, I think.

It's different from a Chinese elm. I think for a long time, thought these, I was pulling up trees of heaven and I thought they were Chinese elms. They are monstrous and I have pulled them out of the ground and it was like, yeah, in Albuquerque.

Greening Up My Act (21:53)
Oh, well that's all right.

The trees of heaven. Yeah, I couldn't.

I couldn't do it. It was too hard.

Kat (22:03)
I had a really bad customer service experience and I went outside and I just whole hog on a tree of But the old house that I lived in in Albuquerque, he let one grow to full size in my perfectly bad landscaped front native plant shrine that I had there. He's let one grow. It's like 10 feet tall now. I've only been out of there for eight years. So, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (22:11)
That's awesome.

⁓ wow. ⁓ my God. That's crazy. think

you have, unless you can rip it up like that, I think you have to use herbicide, which I'm gonna talk about.

Kat (22:36)
Yeah. Okay.

Anyway, yeah, I have, I have done that. I didn't just cut it. went whole hog into the earth and just pulled it up. Yeah. It took hours and I was so sweaty and covered in dirt and angry. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (22:43)
That's awesome. Yes.

I love that so much. huh. And you felt so good. Yeah.

That's awesome. I've done that with so many things.

Kat (22:56)
I was

like Tom Hanks in ⁓ Castaway when he's like, I have made fire. was like, I have pulled this tree. And I lived on like a really busy street in Albuquerque. I'm sure everybody was just like, lady.

Greening Up My Act (23:01)
you

That was awesome.

Kat (23:12)
But I remember when it came out,

was like a cartoon where they yank a turnip up or something that's bigger than them, you know? Like a rabbit in a cartoon that just fell backwards and I was like, ⁓

Greening Up My Act (23:17)
Yes, yes.

Yeah,

people are pushing their strollers across the street and they'll staring at you like, my God, get away from mommy. What's wrong with her? Yeah, don't worry. ⁓ Yeah, so they lack natural predators or controls in their new environment. And so they can grow and reproduce unchecked. can disrupt habitats, alter soil chemistry and affect wildlife that depend on native plants. Because we've already talked about like

Kat (23:25)
Yeah, like lady. Somebody get that girl her Xanax. Yeah, she's pulling up invasive species, darling. It's fine.

Greening Up My Act (23:51)
the insect population is declining, bird population is declining. This isn't helping. Yeah. ⁓ So where did all this stuff come from? All of it was planted on purpose, at least in the beginning.

Kat (23:55)
Right. Making it worse. Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

is pretty.

Greening Up My Act (24:11)
It's pretty. At least all of it I can think of. Maybe there's some that just sort of like oopsies fell off that boat, but I don't think so.

Kat (24:19)
some, maybe some of the grasses and stuff, but I'm just thinking about like, yeah. ⁓

Greening Up My Act (24:22)
Maybe.

I don't know, but most of it. And I want to say, I want to just go out and say all of it because you can still buy most of it at the fricking nursery. I'm pretty sure the grass we bought for the side of our house is like Chinese. And it's, I've already tried, I've already tried to dig it up and it is like a solid block of cement. I am not looking forward to that, but I have, but I have to, you know, it's like, what's my other option?

Kat (24:33)
Yeah.

boy. Right.

Greening Up My Act (24:52)
Alright, so the Soil Conservation Service in the 20- during the 20th century when like the Dust Bowl, I think, like when soil erosion was a big thing. What was known then as the Soil Conservation Service planted kudzu across the United States. Yes, to combat erosion. However, it didn't quite work out the way we thought.

Kat (25:03)
Mm-hmm.

Okay, good intentions.

It did too well.

Greening Up My Act (25:21)
⁓ And then also like Bradford pear trees. Yeah, I didn't know about them. Well, I didn't know how bad they were until my dad came to visit recently. And I've talked about, I don't know if I mentioned this really, but my dad is a landscaper. Maybe I've never mentioned that, I don't know.

Kat (25:24)
god, I hate them so much.

I don't think you've ever

said that, you have, he does seem to have the qualifications for the stories you tell. So it follows. Yes.

Greening Up My Act (25:42)
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. he, that makes

sense. Okay. He's a landscaper. So he knows what he's doing, basically. ⁓ Except with those freaking lilies. He just loves lilies. And I'm like, do you know what's going on? Anyway, it's fine. But yeah, so he came and we were driving into DC to see the cherry blossoms actually. And he was like pointing to a white flowery tree on the side of the

of the highway and he's like, you know what that is? And I was like, I don't know, some kind of dogwood. And he's like, Nope, Bradford pear, Bradford pear, Bradford pear, Bradford pear. And when you see them, can't again, unsee them because yeah, because they were everywhere, everywhere. And this was like in sort of unmanaged forests, whatever in between, you know, in the median or whatever in between the highway. And then

Kat (26:22)
Unsee them or unsmell them. ⁓

Yeah, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (26:40)
You go down to this neighborhood down the street from me. They intentionally planted bread for pears everywhere.

Kat (26:48)
They had them on my high school campus, I'm pretty sure, in Albuquerque. Yeah. Planted in the 50s or 60s, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (26:50)
I'm sure. I'm sure they did. Yeah.

Right. Cause they're, they are very pretty, but they're absolutely invasive. And okay. I didn't know about the stinking, but I believe you. What do they smell like? Okay. Like vomit. Cause ginkgo trees also smell really bad. Ew. Why have I heard that before? Have you told me that? I don't know.

Kat (27:00)
And they stank. Boy, they stink.

Yeah, I'm not gonna

They smell like cum. Like male ejaculate.

I don't know. Yeah,

they're disgusting. Yeah. And I don't know that I could identify the smell of cum.

Greening Up My Act (27:21)
That is so weird.

Right?

You just know. You're like, ew, OK.

Kat (27:29)
Like yeah, does everyone just know?

But they're stink. They're just gross. It's just icky. Cause they're supposed to attract a certain kind of bug that's attracted to that smell, right? It's kind of a trash. I'm sorry, men. It's kind of a trash smell. I don't know.

Greening Up My Act (27:35)
That's interesting.

Okay

No, yeah, I agree. ⁓ Also, they're not real pears, which is the most annoying thing for me, because that's what I asked my dad. I was like, so do they at least have pears? He's like, no. It's just like a little dumb seed that does nothing. I'm like, damn it. Yeah.

Kat (27:58)
Yeah. And well plants another tree. Yeah.

I've also heard recently that the reason allergies are so bad is from specifically landscapers in the fifties and sixties and seventies planted male trees in urban settings because they would flower, but not fruit. And the fruit makes a mess. And the thing is that because there aren't any female trees to receive their pollen, we're just bombarded by male tree pollen.

Greening Up My Act (28:15)
⁓

Kat (28:28)
with nowhere to go. our allergies are tree rape of our faces, basically.

Greening Up My Act (28:28)
⁓

my gosh.

Kat (28:36)
By mail trees. Left unchecked. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (28:37)
Wow, that's interesting. I've also heard

that it's, I've heard that DC specifically allergies, this might be a myth, are so bad because they brought in trees from all 50 states. So it's like all of, yes. Yeah, I don't know if that's true, but I'm sure it all has something to do with it because it's just, yeah.

Kat (28:49)
boy. Everything that could possibly go wrong is wrong here. That's interesting.

Yeah, it's miserable. remember

when we went to visit the first time, like before we moved there and it was during cherry blossom season and our allergies were so bad. I remember my parents took us to Congress to like sit in on a House of Representatives thing and they gave us pinnacle and there were just a bunch of nine year olds like.

Greening Up My Act (29:08)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Like asleep. my god.

Kat (29:21)
Like the slogan

of Benadryl is, you can't sneeze if you're unconscious. I think that's...

Greening Up My Act (29:28)
Right. That's crazy. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if that was why allergies are so bad. Yeah. So it's like Bradford pears. English ivy is another one that people plant because it's beautiful. ⁓ my God. Does that stuff take over? It will kill your trees. And the problem is it will spread to your neighbors. It will spread to whatever and kill their trees.

Kat (29:29)
Anyway, that's all I remember of visiting DC the first time was... Benadryl snoozes. Yeah.

Interesting.

Pretty, yeah.

It's so interesting

and it's like, you wouldn't think it would, if it's English, like legit English, you think it wouldn't thrive in DC where it's a warmer swamp, you know, like it doesn't get above 80 degrees in most of England. Well, now it does, but it didn't used to, you know, like I can't imagine it surviving in the law, obviously in Albuquerque, there's no water. So, but it might find a way, you know, if people planned it and that they water it, it will. So, yeah.

Greening Up My Act (30:01)
Yeah.

Right. Right.

Yeah, right.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Maybe it's just a shade loving succubus. I don't know. I've actually commented, I felt like such an idiot, but I commented recently on somebody's Instagram who was just like showing their daughter swinging in a swing in their backyard was absolutely overtaken with Ivy. And it looked like it was sort of maintained, but their tree was also taken over. was like insane. Yes. I was like, yes.

Kat (30:27)
Yeah.

You're like, you're going to lose the tree. You're going to lose the tree. You become that you've become Cassandra or like chicken little.

Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (30:50)
Yeah, I was like, I'm so sorry already in advance. I apologies in advance, but please do something about that. And the person was very gracious. They were like, thanks. I didn't actually realize whatever. ⁓ but, but you know, I was like, I'm sorry. And I'm that person on the walk who's like, what a pretty yellow flower. I'm like, invasive.

Kat (31:04)
⁓ I'm sure.

Yeah

Greening Up My Act (31:17)
Like I ruined everything. I'm so sorry. ⁓ And then Chinese wisteria. People love wisteria. It is. They use it for like over arches or whatever. Yeah. Well, there is an American version, hopefully. yeah, the Chinese one will absolutely. ⁓ We had some growing down the street from us and it was just like, killed a tree actually. And I think they got rid of it.

Kat (31:19)
Anywhere. Yeah.

it's so pretty.

Yep, we have a bunch of it here.

Okay, maybe it's the American version. I'm gonna look up the difference, but yeah.

Greening Up My Act (31:46)
because I haven't seen it lately, but.

Kat (31:47)
I think

this is American Wisteria that we have here.

Greening Up My Act (31:50)
Okay, that one's not as bad. It's probably pretty aggressive, but...

Kat (31:55)
yeah, it's, yeah. this is so funny. I look up the first thing it does is on Etsy is five evergreen, wisteria seeds, vine tree, fast climber. No.

Greening Up My Act (32:06)
Yep. Yep. Yeah, you can buy it anywhere.

Kat (32:11)
Yeah, it's $128 on simplytrees.com.

Greening Up My Act (32:14)
Yep. The Chinese version. Yep. I'm telling you, it should be illegal.

Kat (32:16)
Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (32:25)
So yeah, so then they spread. ⁓ One example I have is like, they're actually called ditch lilies. ⁓ Some people call them ditch lilies, but I think that's like a daylily. I see these, have this, it's like a progression that I see on my drive. There's one mailbox. It's so clear that it started with one mailbox. It has them all around their mailbox. And then the next yard has a few clumps and there's like some clumps that keep going. And then as I'm driving, there are clumps.

all down the roadside where like it's like where nobody is managing it nobody's landscaping is just random ass ditch lilies everywhere and it's just such a perfect demonstration of how this shit just spreads and you don't even know it you don't even realize it

Kat (32:55)
my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And

you're just like, have these pretty things and then it's nice in your yard, but it's not nice in the ditch down the street. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (33:16)
Yes,

yeah. And how do they spread? Well, you buy them at a nursery because every nursery sells them because there's demand, because people don't know, and some probably don't care. But I want to think it's mostly ignorance because I do think it's ignorance.

Kat (33:25)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

100%.

I'm thinking now like, yeah, ⁓ shoot. Like I don't check. I just trust that it's going to be a native species if they're selling it at my local nursery.

Greening Up My Act (33:35)
We got like...

100 %

100 % and that's what I did and that's what that Japanese barberry my dad was like get that out of your garden so yeah um yeah because I've only learned about this because I've been forced to you know um and then you know some spread through seeds birds and other animals will just like spread them like crazy like wine berry we have a bunch on the other side of our fence and that's like technically I don't know I think it's invasive um but

Kat (33:45)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (34:09)
people like it because it's an edible seed. It's like a raspberry kind of, but they are everywhere. They're taking over my yard. And ⁓ probably started with like one person down the road, have it in their garden, and then somehow the birds ate it and then spread it into the woods. Or they have these elaborate and lengthy root systems that are nearly impossible to eradicate unless you are cat hulk.

Kat (34:11)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I haven't done it in 10 years, so.

Greening Up My Act (34:40)
No, I love it though. Okay, so what are the solutions here? So I don't have like an overarching grand solution. There are, there are, no. But a big one, I think one of the biggest ones is educating ourselves. Because I'm still, I just learned as I was doing research for this episode, I'm like, fuck, mustard garlic.

Kat (34:42)
She Hulk. Cat Smash.

yes. OK.

Don't tell me there aren't solutions. Come on, Tiffany. Okay.

Greening Up My Act (35:08)
That's all over my yard. Yeah. It's like constant salt in the wounds. ⁓ But yeah, I'm still learning. so it's like, I'm kind of, what I'm trying to do is take it one at a time. I'm like, this honeysuckle. Yeah. This honeysuckle is like actually draining me, but I need to get rid of this lesser selendine first. And I'll explain how I am doing that. ⁓ So educate yourself. There's a book recommendation that I looked up. I haven't actually read it, but it was from the forest service, US forest service.

Kat (35:08)
no!

Yeah. Let's get rid of this, honeysuckle. Yeah.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (35:39)
I'll include the title in the show notes, but it's Invasive Plants, a Guide to Identification, Impacts, and Control of Common North American Species by Sylvan Ramsey Kaufman and Wallace Kaufman. They say that one's pretty good. You can also download the PDF, the Maryland PDF that I will include in the show notes and kind of like have that as just a quick...

pull up and it's nice because they show it from far like each plant they show from far away from close up and then from really close up so it can kind of help you. An easier option is you can try to use PlantNet. There's a bunch of different plant apps but the one that I've been using is called PlantNet, one word and it does work pretty well. It's sort of like a it takes a bunch of pictures from people all over your region.

Kat (36:13)
Okay.

Okay.

Greening Up My Act (36:35)
and kind of like compares them. And it's been pretty accurate actually. ⁓

Kat (36:36)
Okay.

Interesting. mean, I would,

I, yeah, I need that.

Greening Up My Act (36:44)
Yeah, another way to educate yourself is to look around and try not to cry.

But just open your eyes and like kind of like notice what's going on with our forests because I don't know what it's like in Texas. I don't think it's probably as bad, but if when you travel anywhere that with like some sort of water in the ground, it's just you will notice it now because our our forests are not supposed to be covered in tropical vines.

Kat (37:18)
Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (37:20)
Yeah. Okay. The other option solution is planting native alternatives. So plant natives to crowd out any potential for non-natives to take over. ⁓ Also natives make gardening so much freaking easier now that I have my little, yeah, now that I have my little native pollinator garden, it's like completely, almost completely hands off after a year or two.

Kat (37:34)
Okay.

And because they just take the water. Yeah.

Yeah, the

difference between my chrysanthemums, not native to Texas, and my sage, you know, on one side, it's like, yeah, those are all drought resistant because they're native to Texas and these over here need water every other day and it's like.

Greening Up My Act (37:58)
Yes.

Yes.

Yes. And they're a pain in the ass. Yeah. And you're constantly killing them and feel guilty. And instead, it's like, oh, this stuff likes it here. I don't have to do shit. And it is beautiful. It's great. It's awesome. It's also more rewarding because birds and bees, et cetera. And then you have all these bird and bee friends. And it's So say bye bye to totally organic gardening.

Kat (38:18)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Greening Up My Act (38:36)
That's another solution. And that is something I've come to terms with.

Kat (38:39)
I

have poisoned trees that needed to happen. Yep.

Greening Up My Act (38:42)
Yeah, it's worth it.

Yeah. Because this gardener that I follow on Instagram basically said, I didn't pull her name, unfortunately, but she says it's better to use herbicide than to let this shit spread more.

Kat (38:56)
I fully believe it. Yeah, on those trees of heaven, I'm pretty sure that I've...

Greening Up My Act (39:01)
Yep. I think you have to. Yeah. Which now I have some, so hey. ⁓ Yeah. I use this stuff called Aquanit. And it's basically the same thing chemically as Roundup, but somehow meant this I got specifically for lesser selendine. But I think it actually, you can use it for a lot of other stuff. It worked so well and it made me feel so powerful.

Kat (39:08)
Mine's under the house, yeah.

Okay.

As long as it doesn't

spread to other, yeah, that's the issue. You've got to balance.

Greening Up My Act (39:30)
Yeah,

I read the directions very carefully, use protective gear, I wore gloves and rain boots. ⁓ It's so funny because I didn't know how much I was going to need, but I was like, this stuff is everywhere. So I bought, I think, two and a half gallons of this aquanit. And I filled up my sprayer thing with two tablespoons.

Kat (39:51)
Well.

Yeah,

like I can kill every plant in this. Don't mess with me fuckers. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (40:00)
state.

Well now I'm thinking I think I'm gonna use it my honeysuckle actually because I think that's my only option. I read that you can use it. Yeah yeah because I was out there by myself for an hour maybe an hour and a half trying to pull the honeysuckle up and it literally I made it two square feet. It is such a tangled chaos mess.

Kat (40:11)
Do what you must. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (40:30)
And I was so tired. It's horrible. Yes, yes. ⁓

Kat (40:32)
Great workout, horrible workout. You need to just get a really

bad customer service call and then go Hulk out and Tiffany smash.

Greening Up My Act (40:38)
Right.

Yes, exactly. ⁓ And then, you know, can, what do you do if it's not on your property? You can talk to your neighbors. I don't want to, but I will. I have to. Help me. Yeah. I know. I know. I think she would be understanding. Help. Yeah, I know. I know. She does have a massive dead tree.

Kat (40:52)
No, eventually just be like, I don't know if you knew. Especially if she's like trying to re she has a good intention. Yeah.

Bring her a cookie.

Greening Up My Act (41:08)
that needs to come down so I think I can open it with that. and by the way, do you know that you have Oriental Bittersweet invading my yard?

Kat (41:11)
Like, hey.

I want you to come to my house and be like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sure all the weeds, OK, I'm sure all of the weeds in my front lawn are probably invasive and.

Greening Up My Act (41:22)
I only know East Coast stuff now. Yeah.

Maybe,

I mean, some of my stuff is good, like clover. There's, yeah, some of the stuff is like wild violets are fine. I'm not sure about wild strawberries. I think that stuff sucks because it really does spread, but.

Kat (41:41)
I've got blackberries

that seem to be kind of... There's definitely some grasses that are...

Greening Up My Act (41:46)
Blackberries?

Yeah. Blackberries are, more annoying if you let them spread than anything, but yeah. They can just create a mess, like a tangled, jumble mess.

Kat (41:52)
Yeah.

They're mostly.

Yeah, they're on the wrong. I asked the kid, the teenager who does my, I said, can you remove the blackberry bushes that are against the house? Cause they're going to destroy the siding, but leave the ones that are against the fence. Cause I don't care about that as much. He removed the ones against the fence and left the ones against the house. it was, I've never gotten over it. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (42:07)
huh.

⁓ no.

Yeah, that stuff really stings and it doesn't go away. I feel you. It's like when we had lawnmowers, we fired them, ⁓ mostly for financial reasons. they kept, I took little tiny, what's it called? Propagations of this stuff called catmint, which is a type of mint that doesn't spread. And it's really pretty. ⁓ It's not edible. It's just a plant, but ⁓ I propagated it, put it in the ground.

and then they kept weed whacking it. I was like, stop it!

Kat (42:56)
Yep. Yeah.

Unlike you can't afford to put like a fence around it or something or like Post-It notes or something. Just stand out there while they're doing like not there. Not there. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (43:01)
Right, I should have... Yeah, I thought about getting... I

thought about it. I did try that once and he still weedwhacked over something else and I was like, damn it. Anyway, ⁓ weed eat, weed whack, unknown. Okay, Do we, last solution, do we form a coalition?

Kat (43:15)
Yeah, we say we'd work on these parts.

Mmm. Mmm. ⁓

Greening Up My Act (43:26)
Like something's gotta happen. That's how, that's where I'm at. It's like nonprofit probably exists. don't know. Coalition marketing slogan, like something because yeah, something because it's like, this is all of our responsibility, but a lot of these places are like unmanaged. It's either unmanaged property. It's mostly unmanaged. It's an unmanaged property. Yeah. Yeah.

Kat (43:36)
Are you working tandem with the US Forest Service maybe?

So like vacant lots and yeah, dishes and.

Greening Up My Act (43:56)
and edges of farmland and that kind of thing. But it's interesting. So about kudzu, so back to that. I read this really interesting Smithsonian magazine article about kudzu in particular and how the conversation, I was like, was it a marketing thing? Like, why was everybody talking about kudzu? And it was mostly because that was, it became symbolic to the South.

So it sort of symbolized the South to a lot of people and poets started writing about it. People started writing about it in novels. Like basically if you wrote anything about the South, were gonna have to mention kudzu because it was just everywhere. And so that became the sort of myth or like lore that it was the worst of the invasives and everyone started talking about it. And a lot of it was because it was very visible from the roadside, but it's the type of plant that

Kat (44:44)
Okay, interesting.

Greening Up My Act (44:56)
only need it has to have sun so it's not going to invade inside your forest because that's covered yeah it's only on the edges where we're driving where we can see yeah and apparently it's like pretty easy to kill is what i'm understanding don't quote me on that but the woman was saying she saw sees like goats just like absolutely obliterated so yeah and that the

Kat (45:00)
Okay. Right. It's gonna be on the edges. Yeah. Yeah. interesting.

I'm sure. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (45:25)
amount of spread that it's had has been completely overstated. So it's like people think katsu katsu katsu katsu like that's the worst that's the worst. And because it looks really bad. I mean, when you see it in taking over a complete hillside, you're like, holy shit.

Kat (45:35)
Yeah, it's huge. mean, it's like

a green entity that...

Greening Up My Act (45:41)
Yes. Yeah. And so it sort of developed a lore developed around it where it was just sort of symbolic, but also this fearful thing. it was a pretty good article. linked it. ⁓ But that doesn't mean that it's the worst. It's just the most known and the most talked about. it's actually in the end.

way more manageable than a lot of these other things, which is kind of scary. It's like, that's like the good twin. Like, what are we up against? So, ⁓ yeah, so that's kind of what I learned about like why we all know about kudzu, but not the rest of it. But yeah, we need like, I don't know. want, yeah, and like if I have to lead the charge, I'll lead the charge.

Kat (46:07)
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. man.

⁓ okay. That makes sense.

strategic action about this.

Girl?

Greening Up My Act (46:35)
Cause it haunts me. It just like.

Kat (46:36)
Apparently, you're

the most knowledgeable person I know about it, so...

Greening Up My Act (46:40)
Yeah, and it blows my mind. It doesn't blow my mind because I don't blame anybody for not knowing because I had no fucking clue a year ago.

Kat (46:45)
I mean, why would

you... Maybe it's something about...

starting even a coalition that tells nurseries to educate, but you know, like if Home Depot has to put up like this is a non-native invasive species or like not, you know, I mean, I wish they'd be regulated against selling it, but.

Greening Up My Act (46:53)
Yes!

And actually,

that's the thing. I think there is, and I'd have to look into it more, because I'm on the forestry board here. And we talked about, think there is a law, at least in Maryland, where they're supposed to have a sign saying it's not native, or maybe that it's invasive, but nobody checks. Nobody's going to these nurseries and finding. I know.

Kat (47:24)
Yeah, who's going to enforce it? Yeah. You're to be the cops worst nightmare. You're like, Hey,

the Home Depot over here needs a citation. They'd be like, lady, we got a shooting. You're like, I don't care.

They're selling lilies.

Get him out of here. Book him, Danno.

Greening Up My Act (47:47)
Totally. That's what I'm saying.

Kat (47:51)
Tiffany Verbeck Lady

Greening Up My Act (47:56)
⁓ my God. I see Chinese wisteria. We're finding you a hundred extra slacks. Yep.

Kat (47:56)
Cop for the forest, justice for the forest. That's, I'm, yeah.

Yeah, this isn't labeled as

not native. That's the thing, it's not even that it's illegal to sell it, it's just it's illegal not to label it.

Greening Up My Act (48:10)
Yeah, and it's

legal. Yeah, that's, that's, it needs to be illegal. But it's like freaking capitalism. There's a demand for it. So it's like, do you hit it from the demand side and like educate people? Do you hit it from the supply side? I don't know.

Kat (48:18)
I You're... I can't... Yeah.

my God. Could you imagine?

mean, just get Donald Trump on it because he will invasion is his whole thing, you know?

Greening Up My Act (48:33)
Yes.

my God. Your homes are being invaded. Except actually.

Kat (48:36)
Yeah, let's get all these non-American

things out of here.

Greening Up My Act (48:41)
my God. Maybe that's how you sell it.

Kat (48:43)
god, I can't even think about it. they're not, it's not the same, but-

Greening Up My Act (48:45)
That's horrible. I'm sorry. Ugh. No,

that's horrible. But yeah, it's, something's got to happen because like this cannot go on. It is. I'm overwhelmed. I, like I said, I was forced into this position and maybe I need to, you know, learn a lesson and help the world because of it, even though I hate everything about it.

Kat (48:58)
It sounds very overwhelming too.

Yeah.

Hahaha.

Greening Up My Act (49:15)
I don't hate it, I'm actually very passionate about it, but it's just so daunting.

Kat (49:17)
It plagues you. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you've got me as a crusader now. I'm going to plant Shazam every I call it plant Shazamming when you use. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (49:24)
Nice. You're going to be one of those. Yes. Blanches we have. That's such a good name.

my God. You're going to be on the, now you'll be on your hikes. I don't know that. Is that pretty? Is that pretty or not?

Kat (49:34)
Planches them. Planches them. Yeah. Well, I think

maybe the test is how much of it is there. You know, because there's like a certain amount of wildlife or wildflowers are like, yeah, that's normal. But if it's like, that's all there is, and it's a lot of it, then you can kind of tell it's not native and invasive.

Greening Up My Act (49:41)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes. Yeah,

that's kind of my go-to as well. That was like the lesser salundine crap that I discovered. was like, hmm, this is pretty. Hmm. This is everywhere.

Kat (50:02)
I'm pretty sure that the grass in my front flower beds that I keep weeding is probably invasive. We'll see. I'll let you know.

Greening Up My Act (50:09)
Maybe.

Yeah, like I said, I don't know how bad it is there. I know it's really bad on the East coast. And then South, apparently. Probably too.

Kat (50:16)
We're

technically the south.

Greening Up My Act (50:19)
yeah.

Kat (50:20)
It just has stopped raining here except for the last two days.

Greening Up My Act (50:24)
How long has it been that you're out there?

Kat (50:26)
At least two or three years, maybe five.

Greening Up My Act (50:29)
so it hasn't always been that dry.

Kat (50:31)
No, we're really low on rainfall for the past couple years.

Greening Up My Act (50:34)
⁓ I don't know why we thought it was always dry.

Kat (50:38)
I mean, it's not the desert, like New Mexico's a desert. But it gets more rainfall than, well, it's, should I? No, I'm not gonna look that up right now. was gonna say average rainfall. ⁓

Greening Up My Act (50:41)
Okay, that's what I was thinking.

No, that is that's disturbing. I don't like it.

Kat (50:55)
Yeah,

it's been, it's been kind of, just hotter than years past too. So.

Greening Up My Act (51:00)
Mm-hmm.

Hotter than a monkey's asshole. As they say.

Kat (51:03)
Mm-hmm. Not that that's that hot. It's way hotter than

that. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (51:10)
The inside of a monkey's asshole. Monkey, monkey's. Okay. Sorry. You're traumatized with your writing. I'm sorry. All the details. The bodily details, I'm sure are bad. Oi. all right. Sweet. So that's it. That's all I had.

Kat (51:11)
Things I don't want to think about.

I am. Thank you.

god. Yeah.

Okay, I like it.

Excuse me. You always mute when you cough.

Greening Up My Act (51:36)
It's the

allergies.

Kat (51:40)
from the tree rape. Sorry, that's in...

I have to put a content warning on this now. I know I don't want to joke about rape and but it is technically tree ejaculate coming out. Anyway, I don't know what we're going to talk about next week, but yeah, I'll find something. yeah, follow us on. think. I think we have four after this or are we halfway?

Greening Up My Act (51:45)
It's okay.

No, I know.

Right. OK, all good. We don't always have to know. Yeah, sweet. How many more episodes do we have this season?

Okay, I haven't been

tracking.

Kat (52:10)
Now maybe we have six after this.

Greening Up My Act (52:13)
That sounds, that feels right.

Kat (52:15)
Yeah. Let me just look like while we're all here. ⁓

Greening Up My Act (52:21)
Yeah, this is kind

of an odd season for us, so...

Kat (52:24)
Yeah, I think this is episode seven, so we might have five episodes.

Greening Up My Act (52:28)
Okay. Yeah, this is more like a fly by the seat of our pants up a season, which is kind of nice. Yeah, me too.

Kat (52:31)
Yeah, basically. I mean, I love it. I'm having a good time with it. ⁓

Yeah. Nope, we're halfway through. This is episode six for this season, Yeah, next week we'll come up with something that we love. I will. It's my turn. Yeah.

Greening Up My Act (52:45)
Okay, sweet.

Yes, something joyful.

Kat (52:55)
I don't know, let you know. I can't think of it tonight. I'm thinking about all these plants that I have to go shazam and.

Greening Up My Act (52:59)
No, I know.

No, I know. I know. No, we're just shazaming in our minds. Oh, yeah. Okay. So find us on Patreon. We just released recently released an ADHD episode about like pre screening pre diagnosis.

Kat (53:10)
Yes, Patreon at greening up my act. Yeah.

Yeah, and we'll

come out with a new one about post diagnosis because you're setting that up.

Greening Up My Act (53:22)
Yeah, but we probably have to do that later. We do have something in between because it's going to take forever.

Kat (53:25)
Yeah, yeah, we will. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Well, thanks, Tiffany.

Greening Up My Act (53:31)
Thank you for listening. You too. Bye.

Kat (53:33)
Yeah, have a good night.