Hi, Tiffany, how you doing? Pretty good. How are you? I'm flying high on the fact that I figured out how to put us on YouTube. But it's so excited. We're wearing the future we live in. What are the present? I guess we've joined the present. We're no longer in the stone age. Yeah. Podcasting from from covered wagons anymore. Yes. But yeah. So now, if you're listening to us on YouTube, thank you like and subscribe, like and subscribe. I think people don't understand. It's really hard for us to tell. who's listening to us? Because your podcast stats are very not they're not very good. They're not expensive. It's very difficult to see. You're just doing Yeah, so it's like, how, how many people are downloading, which I never, I only download podcasts if I know I'm going to be like on an airplane and don't. That's how I used to be, you know, yes. A lot of people don't download because of that. But I'd now download everything partially because I know it matters for the podcaster. 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And okay, I'm gonna be honest, maybe I didn't spend enough time researching it. But it just feels like this is very light. It kind of reminds me of the Redwall episode where it's like, I can't find anything bad. And I think that's good. Yeah, episode was so enjoyable that yes, it's kind of like our, our episode on laundry detergent to it's like, hurray. Yes. So hopefully, this is a hurray for everyone. But I'll just get into my shortlist of sources here. And I was looking back since I'm uploading all the old episodes on YouTube. Like our first episode, we had like three sources. And now we have like, really? Yeah, that's so funny. He hasn't grown for that. Yeah, in 23 episodes, we have grown. So that makes sense. Our research is improving, I suppose. Yeah, I guess we're getting out of the Dunning Kruger. Oh, no. See, now I'm going down a rabbit hole here. Dunning Kruger is the theory that the less you know about something, the less capable you are of knowing how little you know. So I think we're maybe yeah. But I think we're getting into a phase where we're very aware of how little we know. And how little Yes, okay, I get it now. So it's sort of like that. That's why you get frustrated when you're doing something new. Yeah, well, it's that well, when you first start out, you think you're Oh, wow, this is amazing. And I'm really good at this. And it's because you don't have the experience to know how bad you actually are. Yeah. Okay. How little you know, and that's why like the difference between someone who's like, like, the the more you know about a subject, the more of an expert you are, the more you doubt yourself. Yes. And and the more you're willing to admit you don't know, because you have a broader view of the subject. So you don't have just this introductory, like, oh, yeah, this is this little world, like the bubble grows, and you realize how small you are in the bubble of No. Right. So that is definitely happening. Because our I feel like our recent episodes have been much more complex. Yeah. And wait, it's like, yeah, we're not hard, or it's just harder to just, it's just reality. So Right. And I was thinking about that I listened to a scientist on some Instagram posts, and they're, like, when you hear somebody say, Well, I'm an expert. And I know x, it often it's like, that's not real scientists will be like, from what I can tell. This could be true. You know, the evidence says, why when people say it's definitely X than you, you should doubt them a little bit more. Oh, yeah, totally. But yeah, anyway, we, I guess, could also say, Welcome to greening up my act. We are not scientists. We are two marketing writers who want to figure out what we can do to impact sustainability and the ecology in our world full of climate change, what we can do as individuals, and so we do research on on products and services and rate them on a scale of one to five granolas by how crunchy they are. Because the crunchy are the better. And we rate them based on how well they work, how money economical they are, and how much of a hassle they are. And also if they're actually better for the environment. Yeah. So but we are marketing writers, not scientists. Yes. We're amateur science journalists. Yeah, right. Not even I won't even say that. Because there are some real science journalists. Are you like, I think I could do science journalism. And then I get into it. I'm like, Absolutely not. I know, right? I wouldn't. That's always an amateur. Yeah, this is an entertainment podcast, but we do the research. We do the perfunctory research that you just don't have time for and answer your questions on these products and services. So yeah, and we'll be open if there's just not an answer, easily accessible. And if we're wrong dives, we go deep dives. And we're like, I don't know. I just don't know. Yeah. And if we're wrong, we're willing to say that so if you know something about these subjects, please let us know. Yes, please. We are so open. My scientists sister often will correct me on things which is nice. I love it. Yeah. But okay, so this this week bulk food shopping. My sources, I just a few have a small list of seven I think, or eight, green foot mama. Attitude. Living I know, these are all just, you know, friendly blogs, her money, apartment therapy Investopedia. The good trade and supermarket guru all had information on the benefits or non benefits of bulk food shopping. Okay. I'm really interested in bulk food shopping, because I don't know it just Yeah. It's seems like there could be some drawbacks. Yeah. All right. So what is bulk food shopping, there's two ways to think about this. There's Costco buying, you know, or you just buy large amounts of stuff from a big box store. So that's, you know, I buy 50 rolls of toilet paper at a time. You know, things like that, if you have a big family that that kind of bulk shopping. That's one type of bulk shopping that a lot of people do. And probably when you don't think about very much, because you probably just already do it. But yeah, maybe like yeah, if you Yeah, I definitely I kind of avoided to be honest, because I don't like storing all that stuff that I do have too much toilet paper. So there are certain things that Yeah, I mean, it's just for me, I just don't want to have to think about it. You know, no, I get that. I buy a lot of batteries and it also well we'll get into that it can save you money in the long run. But the other type of bulk food shopping is one that we think about maybe less is those items that come in prepackaged the smaller items that come prepackaged that you might not realize you can buy in bulk from the bulk section of the grocery store like nuts or spices, rice, lentils, flour, peanut butter, even that you can just buy smaller amounts of in your own packaging and that can save you money, etc. And we'll get into kind of that kind of bulk traffic. There's also things that use a lot of plastic for instance shampoo, conditioner, soap, you know laundry soap, well, maybe we talked about laundry detergent, but yeah, you could buy bulk washing soda. About Well, here's a list of things that you can buy in bulk. And that maybe you should her money had a list of a whole bunch of them that they say are more cost effective. So shampoo, soap, shower gel, laundry detergent, like our recipe you can bulk buy washing soda and Dr. Bronner's cleaning products. White vinegar for instance. Toilet paper, bread, you can bulk buy cereal, you can bulk buy chicken breasts, like any any large amounts of protein, chicken breasts, salmon, cutlets, tuna, ground beef, those can all be bought in bulk. hard cheeses like Parmesan things that don't go bad. Butter, you can freeze eggs apparently they can last as long as a month after the sell by date if you keep them refrigerated. So as eggs don't go bad as quickly as you think especially if you're using them a lot. Olive oil cooking oils broths and stocks. Plant based all dairy alternatives like oat milk or almond milk, which we could get into what that means but right. That's a really interesting one. Yeah, nuts and seeds. Canned goods like diced tomatoes, spices, cardamom, cinnamon, any of those like seed pods, spices that might you might buy like sesame, you know, chili pods, things like that. Those you can all buy in bulk, and they're more cost effective generally to do that. Yeah, yeah. We talked about that. Going to the spice aisle of like Whole Foods. Yeah. You pay like 10 cents for something that normally would cost right? I get like right now or half a cent? And you're like, yeah, yeah. So. Okay, so that's the number one reads. Okay, if we're going to why would you bulk food shop? Number one, it's less expensive. Usually. So supermarket Guru said you can save 30 to 50% on buying bulk as opposed to prepackaged foods. Okay, wow. So ish. Do you know if they're referring because I feel like they're so different, like going to Costco, right? Going to your, because I feel like it's more like a health healthy, fancy grocery store that has the bulk section often, yes. And so that they're getting that's the difference. When you're doing, you know, the bulk food aisle at Whole Foods, it's usually hippie dippie people who don't want the plastic packaging. So they may not care about the cost as much. Yeah. Interesting. I'm just curious to know if that's like crazy expensive, or if it actually saves money, but you know what, it depends on the item around you get it? Okay, so that's okay, that's one of the we'll get into the why you wouldn't bulk Bucha up and that's when you already probably do it with your produce your toilet paper, cleaning products, etc. You probably already buy, you don't buy like, five dishwasher pods at a time. Right? You buy 50 And you might buy you know, those things that don't go bad if you have the room to store them, you might buy the bigger Costco thing of it, you know, a Costco makes it easy to bulk shop. Right, you don't necessarily have to go to the food Co Op and do bulk shopping that way. It still is less plastic packaging, it's less shipping. I mean, it's less time that you're going to the grocery store, you know, it does save on that you can buy more at once. So you have more of the product at home, which makes it easy. It saves you trips to the store again, so less pollution and transportation. If you're doing the bulk shopping that we're talking about, like a hippie dippie Whole Foods stores, reusing jars saves on plastic waste and landfill waste. So supermarket guru says bulk food reduces average emissions by 48%. When you buy from bulk versus traditional packaging. Nobody, I could find nothing on how much plastic it saves. Like I couldn't get, like 48% on emissions, that that includes the shipping costs and the you know, it includes everything. So I don't know how much plastic you're saving. And again, I think it's because you'd have to get into case by case basis. Like right. How much of my saving buying paper. Yeah, bulk paper towels versus one paper towel at a time. I don't know. Because that's those still come individually wrapped in plastic. Right? Yeah, they do sometimes. It's very annoying, right. But the emissions? Yeah, I know, like you're already a plastic wrap, but the emissions that you're saving are on it, transportation costs, things like that, okay. So you can reduce the amount of plastic you use, especially plastic bags, when your food shopping, and packaging Nice. Okay, so they did say, if you average 10 products and your grocery cart that you've refill over, over the year, you save 118 pieces of packaging from a landfill. Okay, whenever I repeat that, so if you get, let's say 10 items that you buy normally, okay, let's you know, peanut butter, cinnamon, shampoo, conditioner, 10 of those. If you refill those and do bulk, rather than just every time you go to the store, you buy a new bottle of it. Over the course of the year, you will keep 118 pieces of plastic or other materials out of the landfill. Okay. So, you know, over a year 118 pieces might not sound like much. But if you're doing more than 10, maybe that's a good thing. bulk products are refreshed more often in the store than prepackaged. So they're often fresher. Whoa, which I didn't think about. Now, I would have thought the opposite to be honest. Yeah. And what I wondered about that was how much of it they throw away, because I think it's you know, bulk items are, I don't know, if they're, they're refreshed more often because they're, they go through them faster. Or if it's because they're exposed to the air and they have to be thrown out because they go bad faster, you know, I wonder. So I don't know. But you can use the same jar in the store that you buy it in. So you don't have to transfer it to a different container when you get home. So you take your reusable container and that's the one you're going to store it in and you use that to buy your cinnamon, whatever, then you don't have to come home and put it in the cinnamon jar and you know, so that can save you time and you know, I think Have you ever watched those videos where people like come home from the store and put all of their spaghetti in like a glass thing and yeah, it's like but it looks prettier. So if you just use the container you're going to store it in. Yeah, that makes sense. I usually when I haven't done it in so long but they have the little plastic baggies. They can put the spices in Yeah, and you know, it would be better to not use those stupid plastic baggies. So I agree I'm gonna get into that down there too. But it also gives you the opportunity to buy smaller quantities. have new stuff to try. So for instance, you're like, oh, I want to try using cumin but I don't want to buy a $10.02 ounce thing of it, I can just get a quarter of an ounce for 50 cents. And if I don't like it, I'm wasting less. Yeah, very cool. Yeah. So those are the reasons I came up with for why you would bulk food shop now why you wouldn't bulk food shop. And I think you've mentioned a lot of these already. Time. Go ahead. Yeah, it's okay. I mean, it's hard to talk about the pros and the cons. So it adds time on your shopping trip, right? If you're doing I mean, maybe not at Costco. I'm sorry, my dog is making very cute noises in the background. He say, Yeah, roll on his back fest. So if you hear groaning, that's the dog, blah, blah. You know, you have to go away the thing and put the sticker on it, it's a lot easier to just walk down the spice aisle and grab McCormick's, whatever, you know, so there's time, hassle, you have to clean all those jars or refillable items, or, you know, transfer it to the new jar when you get home. So that's annoying. Availability. So a lot of grocery stores do have bulk options, but not all. And again, yeah, if you don't have a co op, a hippie co op in your neighborhood, they might not have bulk shampoo options. You know? Do some of your grocery stores have bulk shampoo? Yeah. I haven't seen bulk shampoo. I haven't looked very hard for bulk shampoo. Okay, because I've done I was gonna say you are you gonna talk about refilling worries at all? I had not talked about refill Reese. research about it. Go for no. If I say something about it, you won't be annoyed. No pleased. We should talk about that. Well, I was just curious, because I haven't been to one but I found one that's maybe it's like a good probably 40 minute drive. But if I do it and combine it with other things that I'm already going to do in the area, then it might be worth it. But they have shampoo they have one drew dish soap I think like all these things that I could use. So I want to try it. I can report back. So yeah, maybe like an episode or something. I didn't even think to look up refill or Oh, no, I mean, grocery store. Oh, my goodness dog. Well, they're so rare. I mean, that's the thing. Yeah. Like I said, it's a big city thing. Yes, exactly. And it seems like it's kind of like, lush, or, you know, one of those kind of Yeah, brands that does sustainable. You know, whatever they do bulk. You can buy bulk there too, I think okay, I didn't know that actually. Yeah. Because they just refill it. And I mean, they, you if you bring your container and you get they reuse the containers. So that's an example. Okay, yeah. Okay, so one of the other things that was mentioned is that your eyes may be bigger than your need. So you may buy things in bulk and not use them and they'll spoil. Yes. You also have to consider cost per unit, if you really want to do the math, some things are more expensive in bulk than others. So it may add up. And you have to do it you have to know beforehand. Like you do a really good job at that of like calculating per ounce how much stuff is but that's more work, you know, I know it is. Well, I will give you a tip. And this may not work with bulk shopping. I'm not sure what the labels look like. But if you look on the other, Greg, any grocery store has a little label with the price. And it should say either cost per unit cost per ounce, whatever. I always compare those two because it's true, like sometimes the bigger item, like if the smaller item is on sale, it might still be more cost effective to get the bigger one even if it's not on sale or vice versa. Like it's kind of surprising sometimes. Yeah, it's weird how it's like, it's because it's such minutiae. I don't even think the grocery stores do though. Oh my goodness, this dog. What are you doing over there? He's just having fun out, man. Good time. He's just rolling around on his back up. Nobody wants to get up. I'm sorry. I know. I have to let him out. I'm sorry, folks. One second. Okay. Are you ready? Are you done in here? He turns 14 Next week, and so I indulge his whims. Oh, but anyway, that dog Okay, so sorry, where were we? I was gonna talk to myself, but then I don't really have the energy tonight. Now he's working. We're just going to plow through this. Okay. So yeah, cost per unit. I don't even think grocery stores know what most of the time it's because it's so complicated. It's so much math. Right. So and yeah, the difference between like, concentrated things cost per unit. You know, like, okay, if I'm buying 12 ounces of concentrated Windex, which we have talked about you shouldn't do versus 12 ounces of already made windex like The cost per unit is different because I'm gonna be adding water to this and it's gonna last longer and all those things, right? That's a bunch of Yeah, for the most part, though I have found itself like with diapers or something, I should do it and be like, Oh, wait, what is the small one? So yeah, yeah, that's fair. You also need storage to buy in bulk, you need to have room for it. You can't keep 30 rolls of toilet paper in a tiny linen closet and your one bedroom in New York, you know? Yes. And you need to have the right containers, which can be a hassle to figure out. And you may also have to buy some. So for instance, if you decide to be a bulk shopper, are you gonna just gonna get rid of everything that's in your cabinet already? And buy new bulk shopping items? You know, that's annoying. You have to figure out how to transport it. So you can't it's not easy to carry a bunch of bulk items on your bus, on your bike or on the bus, you know? Oh, yeah. So that's one of those you spent 10 years with backpack groceries? Oh, my God. I did that so much. And that was a definite just buy what you need twice a week. Oh, yeah. You're like no milk today? Yeah, it's too hot out. And I have a brewery to get to. Yeah, for sure. Can't fit it. And it's too heavy. Yeah. Investopedia had an article about why you wouldn't want to do bulk shopping. So. So other economic reasons. Include, if you have a surplus of an item, say shampoo, you bought a lot of it in bulk. You might use more of it than you normally would, because you have so much. Ah, so that giant jar of mayonnaise, you're gonna like, Oh, I gotta use this. So you're just going to slather it on. And and and I believe that you end up using more. So you go through it faster than you think. Because of overconsumption. We're Americans love overconsumption. Yeah, I can't believe how many candy bars these days are. Only in King size. Have you noticed this? I'm like, why in God's name? What happened? I want 20 m&ms. I don't want 200 m&ms. Exactly. What Yeah, hell yeah. So yeah, you don't need, you know, sometimes it's better to buy the small thing, you don't need it. Yes, you might not have the money to bulk shop. So for instance, if you're looking at a giant, the bigger bottle of shampoo is $24. And your, you know, quarter sized bottle of shampoo is $12. Well, your grocery bill at Costco is always going to be more than your grocery bill at regular grocery store. So you might end up using your credit card and then racking up interest fees if you can't pay it off in time. So that's a consideration too. It might not be economically viable for you to buy in bulk. Yeah. Now the other thing is, if you buy bulk from a store that doesn't let you bring your own containers, you're probably going to have to use their plastic baggies anyway. So that kind of avoids the plastic packaging bonus that we were talking about. So you're just getting more plastic packaging anyway. So those are the cons that I found mostly agony. And that's what I call it when anything's hard to do agony. Time, money, hassle. Yeah, it sounds like it really depends on your individual situation. Yeah, exactly. I definitely recommend it for large families. You know, if you if you have the room in your house to do it, and you have the time to do it, I think it's worth it. Yeah, especially if you're going to be replacing, or reusing jars or little plastic bottles and things that you would otherwise just throw away. You know, buying a half ounce of cinnamon, that's not going to go bad before your cinnamon goes rancid because you only use it once a year, you know? Yes, much better to buy as you need it. Okay, so some tips for bulk food buying that I gleaned from all of those sources. Storage is key. Make sure you have space in your house for storing bulk stuff. Clean out that cabinet clean out that pantry, find places for things because otherwise like for instance right now I just have I buy my protein shakes in bulk and I just have like boxes of protein shakes around the living room. It's very attractive. Yeah, I have a bunch of toilet paper rolls. So yeah, yeah, like if am I gonna put these? Yeah, laundry cabinet and my linen closet. They're all over the place under the bed. Yeah. Get the right jars are reusable containers. This is especially important for things that need to be in airtight containers. So that's like any of your perishables glass jars, steel jars and glass. I call it Glass Tupperware, there are good options. You can also save containers from items that you use regularly like spices and just refill them. This is another thing that I've seen the little like soup containers you get like the little plastic ones. We save those here I mean we will store soup in them and stuff you know but also you can use those to go buy spices and stuff instead of using their in their light, right? Light little plastic things that you can bring with you. They clean up easily and and you can buy bulk stuff that way. And then if you have to transfer it into a jar or whatever, that's easy, but there are also bulk product bulk shopping products available out there so that you have like your gear and you To get the store and then you come home and transfer it, they make it easy to pour stuff out and stuff. If you don't, I don't know want to go through the house if you don't want to bring your cinnamon jar because the other thing is you have to know the weight of each of your refillable containers to do the tear. Yeah, that's the other tricky thing, but I guess you had to know depends on how much more it would cost. But yeah, well, they, they, I think most places will let you do the tear on the scale you so you put the vessel on the, the container, sorry, I couldn't think of the word the container on the scale, hit tear. And then, but you know, taking taking glass jars can be a hassle because they're heavy, you break so you might want to take lighter stuff and then transfer it when you get home. Right? You You have to know the the weight of the package to tear properly. Don't buy bulk items that are perishable that you won't use. So don't buy a huge amount of fruit. You know from my salad bags from Costco because it's just like, now Yeah, exactly. You nobody's even getting through their small bags. Let's be honest people. Yeah, yeah, we aren't. We talked about food waste a couple of weeks ago. And this is one reason you wouldn't want to buy in bulk. Like where you can determine how much you get those. It's the second kind of bulk buying from the whole foods, you can determine how much you get so you buy less you know, that's, that's one of the pros. One of the websites, I think her money recommended that you put stuff like flour in the freezer for a day or two to kill off pests, which I thought was interesting. And they even do that when they just buy regular flour from the store. Interesting two pound bag. Yeah, freeze your flour. It kills off weevils and things, huh? I used to freeze mine just because I've heard that it lasts longer that way, but I don't do it anymore because I don't have a good freezer. It depends on the thing. Freezing can brings the oils out from things so I mean it it puts them in stasis, but they can go rancid quicker or go back quicker. Okay if you take them out of the freezer and it also can introduce condensation and things Yeah, and I know there are some things you shouldn't freeze that I was always surprised about. I want to say like sausage or I don't know like something meat that I was like what you're not supposed to freeze that is probably because of the oils I don't know. I don't I freeze my meat most of the time. I usually do too just because I don't use all of it. Yeah. Attitude living recommended creating a refill station in your home. So like for me it would be where my washer dryer is if I could just clean out on top of the shelves on top of the washer dryer if I just had everything in there and then make a refill station. So when I'm out of shampoo, I could go and you know refill it from the big big been there. You know? That's super smart. Because man, is it a pain in the ass? Yeah, if you know like everything. I don't know. It's like a mental block because I have a hand like a dish. Not dish soap Hand Soap Dispenser that's been empty for like a week. Yeah, because it's just I don't want to do it. Yeah, exactly. Okay, and then the last recommendation is buy bulk items that you're going to measure out. More specifically like laundry detergent, instead of stuff you may just overuse because you have more of it. So like shampoo, okay, and mayo, you know, like if you know exactly how much you're gonna use or or start measuring how much shampoo you use, you know, always do a dime size or whatever. Yeah, then just make sure that you're not splashing it on. Yeah, falling prey to the American overconsumption problem. Hmm, that's good advice. Yeah. So now we get to the granola rating. Told you this is short. I'm giving bulk. So I guess I should talk about our granola rating. It goes from nine which is soggy to five which is crunchy breaker two's off crunchy has a better because we're hippies and we like our country granola. We're not really hippies were bad. No, we're bad. And yeah, we pretend to be like, I don't eat granola either. So you don't know. Oh, that's hilarious. I love her doll. Actually. There's times it's just very sweet for me usually. Oh, I get the one that's like, this is so hippie dippie. I get like a local granola that's so good. And it's so crunchy and crispy. But anyway, love it. Well, I mean, that's another thing they say if you're buying a bunch of stuff in bulk, learn to mix it all together. So make your own granola if you're buying notes and things. So, but Okay, so I give it a four out of five, which is crunchy, not forgive Jews off. It's still good. I think it's worth doing. But the expense and the hassle and the unavailability of it in some places. And its propensity to make people overuse. Yeah. And the fact that it's not everybody has that much storage space. I gave it a forum. Yeah, it's definitely not a one size fits all solution. And I think that's true of a lot of things we talk about, like you got to do what works for you. Yeah, I think if you if you're committed to a zero waste lifestyle, you're not going to care about how much more a certain item might cost. You're just going to be willing to go get the net On prepackaged version of it, and I think that that's admirable. And you can just make a habit out of it. You know, you go once a week and you get all your spices and all your things and you know, and you bring all your you can, you know, just like me, I've started bringing my reusable bags in the car every time. You know, it's a habit I have. So it is possible. And I like I think if you can do it, and you're willing to do it, go for it. But yeah, if you're shopping for a family and you your grocery time is limited, and you know, nobody's here already, like crying because you have to put a grocery list together. It's probably maybe not worth it for you. It's fine. It's fine to buy. It's fine to buy the prepackaged stuff if you have to. Yeah, don't throw eggs at me. So okay, I so I am interested in trying to do more books. I mean, I obviously do Costco, I buy, you know, my dog food in bulk. I buy those things, but it'd be interesting to do like, oh, oatmeal, you know, just refill my little oatmeal barrel. Whatever. Yeah, you know, yeah, I'm actually gonna get there's a hippie dippie grocery store about 10 minutes away from me. I'd never go in there just because it's really expensive, but I want to go check out their bulk section because I know it's pretty big. Yeah, I'm wondering if anywhere does Dr. Bronner's because that's when I buy a lot of and I buy the big bottles, but I'd be really great if I could just go refill it. You know? Yeah, that would be fantastic. Dr. Bronner's Hello, Dr. Bronner's. Yeah, they should totally buy that. Yeah. But okay, so if anybody knows anything I didn't, I know, I should have gone to read it and been like, what's wrong with bulk shopping, but I didn't run down a rabbit rabbit hole tonight. But if anybody knows anything more detrimental than what we've already listed about bulk shopping, or if you have more solid numbers on how much waste it actually reduces, because it, you know, 118 containers a year that you're not throwing in a landfill doesn't feel like much. I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's less than I would have expected. Yeah, let's think about it. Like, how often do I go through peanut butter? Well, yeah, I think that's the thing. It's not every week. Yeah. And like cinnamon lasts for a year? Yeah. At least two. I mean, I only use it like to bake at Christmas time. So I'll put it on my coffee sometimes. But yeah. So if you missed it, maybe I should use my cinnamon more. Maybe? You gotta get through it. Us. Us us consume, consume, consume, consume. All right. All right. Well, cool. Thank you so much. Yeah, that was interesting. Because I I'm really, I've been intrigued to try it. And yeah. It's interesting, kind of the difference between like the Costco version or the Sam's Club version, big box store. Yeah. Which I think is what it's so ingrained in America that we most of us just do it anyway, you know? Uh huh. And we don't think about how it could actually be better. It's probably a saving us money. Yeah, it's true. Like as, as you listed all those things. I was like, Oh, I do that. Oh, I do that, or I do that. Yeah. It's something we you know, it's probably something you could pat yourself on the back for already doing? Yeah, you would think and Yeah. And it's interesting, because it's not really a thing elsewhere. Besides, no. America, probably Canada. They do too. But in Europe, it's very different. Right? You definitely go and go to the store every day and get ready for dinner. Exactly. It's also just easier because you can walk to the frickin story, right? We have to drive our giant SUVs 40 miles. So I think we live drive or it has cheese, if you're gonna live the American lifestyle where exactly like to drive everywhere. I think it's worth doing bulk for sure. And you have to have an SUV obvious. So you're gonna get all your kids to soccer with all of their stuff. Cool. So next week, we have minimalism on the docket, which we are going to record tonight. So it's kind of a misnomer to say next week, but it's fine though. It will come out the following week. Okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm pumped about this one because it really led me down a shocking rabbit hole where I was like, why I didn't exploit this and I think you're gonna have a strong reaction. I'm really excited. I'm a maximalist. So for sure. It's not even that I think you're gonna have we'll get into it. You'll have a different reason. Excuse me. Wow, okay. Okay, I'm predicting maybe you'll prove me wrong. 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