Clean Hands and Clean Waterways: Bar Soap vs. Liquid Soap

Most shampoos are 80% water. And conditioners can be even more. Really? Yes. Conditioner is up to 95% water. Isn't that absolutely mind blowing can only so this water has to be first off paid for. So you're paying for a whole lot of water has to be used, stored, transported shipped, thus creating greenhouse gases. And shampoo bars are trying to solve for this problem. They are basically like bar soap that's supposed to be formulated to wash your hair. So there's that. But then I learned that there's one easy, free way to make your showers even probably more eco friendly than using solid shampoo. So we are going to look into whether shampoo bars are worth it. Woo. Welcome to Greening Up My Act. So here we are. Yeah, so I can just jump into my sources if you want to get those up. Well, should we explain what Greening Up My Act is? We forgot to do that last week. Oh, yes, hello. Hello, new friends. If you haven't been here before, we are two marketing writers. And we take the time to research and explore products and systems and their marketing and discover whether or not it's a bunch of greenwashing (or green hooey as we call it) or if it's actually more sustainable, affordable. Does it work? All of the above and like basically whether or not it's worth your time, because nobody's got time to do this research. So we decided to do it for you. And for ourselves. But mostly for us. I feel like this is mostly like, Am I making the right choices? Yeah, it's so I find it kind of stressful. Yeah, sure. Like, there's so many options out there. And you're like, what, what actually makes an impact? Right? Yeah. So and we use our marketing prowess. Do you see through the jargon and the green hooey words and the greenwashing that gets a lot of us fooled all the time, including ourselves. We've been fooled so many times that well, yeah. Wish wishful thinking. Yeah. And we also have a third guest named What's your roommates name? Michael. Michael. Hi, Michael actually on the podcast, but he's watching a movie in the background. Yeah, he's talking to his friends and he's enjoying he I don't think he's ever listened to it. I do discuss the podcast with him. But he's, he's I don't think he's ever listened to it. Well, maybe if we tell him he has an appearance, then he'll listen to it. Yeah, I'll be like, Michael, you were in this one. Very prominent. Your opinions were truly outstanding. Okay. He's very green. So yeah, it sounds like he's got his jar collection and all Yes. And is like, he doesn't own a car. Very cool. Awesome. So now we'll get into my sources. Cool. Oh, and well, one thing I will say is we rate each product on a granola we do a granola rating granola scale based on how crunchy it is. Because you want your granola to be crunchy. Oh, my friend Eric, who listens to us on YouTube commented, what do you got against soggy granola? I'm sorry, Eric. Just a turn of phrase. In defense of soggy granola Yeah. Oh, no, it's gross. So I'm gonna tell you getting I don't know you can eat your granola however you want it. Yeah, please, we won't stop you. So unless it's unsustainable kernel, and then we went in which case I have a whole episode about it. You never know. Don't throw it away, but find other uses for it. Yeah. Okay. Feed it to your birds or something. Okay, so my sources, tree hugger. We use them a lot. There. We do. They're a really good source. They have? Yeah, I think for the most part, they're really good. They talked about plastic waste in products. And National Geographic talked about shampoo bars, made how.com told me how regular shampoo was made. Behind the curtain. Yeah. The BBC had an article on homemade shampoo and the climate, and it referenced a super useful Swiss study by Hannah Kroner and Mathias Stuckey. I knew I was gonna say that wrong. Matias Stuckey. Very good article. That's the one I'm gonna lean on the most. Women's Health had more sustainable shampoo options. And I used the lush shampoo bar website on their plastic-free shampoo bars. Okay, you might know Lush. Do you know, I do know Lush. Tree Hugger again had DIY shampoo recipes. I use the Environmental Working Group for product ratings. Consumer Reports had an interesting article in the No Poo movement. Do you know this? Oh, yeah, I've tried to. Okay. Oh, I'm so glad you've tried it. Okay, sweet. I hate the name. But we'll get into it. Okay. And then I use hair story, which is a brand, I use their product page. So that's what I looked at. So now, what is it? Let's, what what is a shampoo bar? Let's look at regular shampoo first. So shampoo. What is shampoo. So shampoo is made primarily of surfactants, which is basically like soap. It's kind of, yeah, it's like another way soap. But the surfactants surround oils and allow them to be rinsed away with water. So that's what shampoo does. The surfactants are usually made from fatty acids derived from coconut oil, palm kernel oil, different than palm oil. I looked it up, but I don't know. Or soybean oil, and some common primary detergents. So like, I couldn't figure out the difference between surfactant and detergent, to be honest, but some of the common primary detergents used in shampoos are ammonium lauryl sulfate, sodium lauryl sulfate, which we talked about in your makeup episode. And sodium lauryl ether sulfate. And as far as I remember, all of these are actually rated decently they sound scary, right? But they're rated pretty decently by the EW G which is the Environmental Working Group. They rate ingredients and products. Plus, they often have foam boosters. thickeners conditioning agents, preservatives. modifiers to give it that these can give it a pearly look. And special additives like fragrance, our favorite or color, right? Because if you think about it, a lot of shampoos actually our like blue. I never heard about it, or white green. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the pearl pearlescent. So the first synthetic shampoo was made in 1930. But the 1960s really upped the game with modern detergent. So I wanted to look at my shampoo that I use, and I've been using it for like 10 years, it's matrix by collage. Schaum show fat cheap. You know, sort of like in the middle ground. It's not super cheap, but it's not super expensive. But the Environmental Working Group rates products from zero to 1010 is bad. Yes, zero is good, or fine. And matrix is right smack in the middle five. So okay, I was I'm gonna show you look up Why yes. So fragrances, it is very smelly. fragrances are the real killer. And, and then some ingredients in this shampoo, which is true of a lot of shampoos I looked at, are rated especially bad because of the use around the eyes. So they say that it has a higher chance of absorption. So if it's got like something kind of bad in it, if you're maybe using it on your hands, it won't be so bad. But if it's in your eyes, you could absorb it more as what it said. Okay, so I found that kind of interesting, but yeah, fragrances were the big problem, per usual. Now, let's compare that with shampoo bars. i Okay, there are a million, just a million like you take your pick. So I looked at lush because they claim that they created that they invented shampoo bars. Okay, it says that on their website that their co founders created shampoo bars. Well, I was like, Okay, fine. You're the OG whatever, right? So I looked at one of theirs. It's just lush shampoo bar. They have a bunch of different like scents and hair types and blah, blah, blah. This one uses sodium lauryl sulfate, glycerin and a bunch of other ingredients that are found in typical shampoo. And plus they use red 30 Because it's this one's super red. Oh, okay. It's just kind of interesting. Others? Yeah, I mean, so, interestingly enough, the BBC compared shampoo bars to regular shampoo. And they say that the most eco toxic ingredient in regular shampoo is prom. prepended the all prepare, okay, prepare. Okay, prepended did exactly this. Kind of did you all? Wow, okay. We'll have it linked or something. I don't know, we have to write it out. So this gives shampoo, it's gives the liquid it's shampoo textures are sort of that like thicker, you know, shampoo texture. And this can be made from oil or corn. But it's apparently the worst ingredient as far as ecotoxicity. That's in regular shampoo. Shampoo bars don't contain this ingredient, usually, because they don't need to give it a shampoo texture. Okay. They also don't contain large amounts of water. So it's really interesting. Also, shampoo bars are supposed to be super concentrated. So some of them say that they might last as long as two or three bottles of shampoo in one bar. Okay. Some people, some reviews negate that, but I don't know. That's what they say. So, for each of these products, we like to look at like, does it work? How easy is it to use? How much does it cost is actually eco friendly? Or is it just really good marketing? So let's start with does it work? These next two questions or three questions are gonna be pretty quick. Because does it work? Well, it depends. Depends on your hair type, and what shampoo you're using. My dermatologist told me that zinc is really important in shampoo and liquid. Yeah, they said like, it's that's what stops dandruff, or dryness in your scalp. But that's just what they said. I don't know, one person's opinion. How easy is a shampoo bar to use? Well, it's very easy. You get it wet and scrub it into your hair. Right? It's like so but for her? Yes. I haven't actually used it yet. So if you have super thick hair like I do, maybe it would take a little bit longer, but I will say I use it at a friend's house. The issue I had with it. Yeah. I mean, it gets a little weird because you're not like putting a doll up and rubbing it but it gets hair stuck on it. So one of my worst nightmares. I hate having hair stuck on my soap bar but but yeah, I yeah, I think it but you're just kind of rubbing it on your scalp. And then once you get a lather going, you're just kind of rubbing it through the rest of your hair. So yeah, and lots of reviews say that this one by the wash at least gets does get really foamy. So some people think like, it isn't gonna get foamy, but this one apparently does. It probably has some foaming ingredient. But who knows. Okay, so how much does it cost? Okay, yeah, so a lush shampoo, the lush shampoo bar is 15 to $20 for one bar. My shampoo of a big bottle, like the super super sized bottle is$30. No, it was the same amount of washes. That'd be my question. I know that's that is the question because it says that it can last two to three bottles. So who knows? 15 To 20 bucks for a little shampoo bar seems like a lot. Yeah, but yeah, if it lasts a long time, then it might be cheaper. I don't know. Yeah, it's impossible to say unless we did like a month long study on it. But so now on to the big question. Is it actually eco friendly? Yes. Okay, so folks in the UK, because again, the frickin UK is the only area of the world that studying this stuff, apparently like I've used the UK studies for I think every episode this season, but good on them. Bad on us. It's fine. But folks in the UK use 520 million bottles of shampoo every year. Well Which is quite true. That's a lot. Yes. And most, you know, that's plastic bottles, right? Most shampoo bar shampoo bars come wrapped in paper or cardboard, which is much more recyclable than plastic. Okay. does take more greenhouse gases to create, right? Sort of a double edged sword? Is that a phrase? Why can I think right now? I guess it is a double edged sword sounds weird to me. But so, tree hugger, talked a little bit about their water usage. When you stop to think about it, this is a quote, they said, when you start to think about it, much of what we're shipping around the world is water, whether it's cleaning products, or personal care products, these are mostly made of water with ingredients and mixed and to clean, moisturize color or do whatever task you need. Now imagine if we could remove the water and only ship the additive, though waterways also reduces lack of water weight reduces trucking and shipping emissions. So that's a plus. The problem, this is wrong. Yeah. So they're all these like pluses. It's not really a problem, per se, but it's just an overlooked aspect of it. So the big thing is, you still have to shower. Yeah, you use this shampoo bar in the shower. And the way that you shower can vary immensely. So Gotcha. Yes. So your environmental impact this is from that Swiss study that I referenced. They say that your environmental impact of shampooing depends on how much water you use, the temperature of that water, where your heating source comes from, etc. And that get this 62% Of all the emissions come from your water. Oh my god. Well, that makes sense. Yeah, they looked at shampooing in particular 62% Oh, well, yes. So in this study, Stuckey, one of the authors wanted to know if he still wants to know if using a shampoo bar changes shower times and makes them longer. Ah, there's that is a big question. Yes. Yes. So I have a quote from him. It would be interesting to know if using a solid shampoo leads people to take longer or shorter showers with more or less hot water. Solid shampoo would have the biggest environmental savings if it would prompt people to use less hot water and less shampoo. That would be an interesting experiment to Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I hadn't considered that. I know I had I was there obviously about like, what goes down the drain? Yes, yes, exactly. Well, hot water. Well, yeah, hot water. Plus, they say the study says plant based shampoos are likely to use more land than petrochemical based shampoo. Yeah, it's another double edged sword. Hmm. And in the study, they say this fascinating note about essential oils. Oh, boy, I your favorite. Our favorite? Yes, I knew that you would love this. Okay. So quote, while they only account for a very essential oils only account for a very small fraction of the ingredients, sometimes less than 1% by mass research. Oh, this is the BBC article sorry. Research. These two researchers let me just try again. Go back Jesus Christ, okay. They say Just kidding not day. Okay. Fascinating note about the BBC says while they own Jesus Christ. We should have goofy outtakes. We should. Okay, the BBC. The BBC says, While essential oils only account for a very small fraction of the ingredients sometimes less than 1% by mass. According to kroner and Studies Research. They are one of the larger contributors to environmental costs like land use and eutrophication, which is excessive nutrients in waterways. That just really EPS with the system. So we've talked about that they have like too many plants in a minute. Uh huh. Keeps light from getting through to other deprives oxygen. Yeah, yeah. fish and plants and whatnot. So I found that really interesting, because fascinating. They're like, just a tiny little sprinkle of essential oils, but they're one of the larger contributors to environmental damage in which it makes sense. Because you said you need like, what, 4 billion roses, right? Like Jasmine petals and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, you would need a lot of land for that. Yeah. So any who's that was just really interesting. Fascinating, because a lot of shampoo bars have. Yeah, because they're using Well, right? Because everybody thinks essential oils are better. Yes. Yes. So is it just really good marketing? Dun, dun, dun. So lush markets their products by saying no plastic, no packaging, no brainer. And it says shampoo bars are a great alternative to liquid shampoos, which take more energy and water to create and they are entirely plastic free. The problem? Again, the problem with this is that the EW G rates many of the 2019 formulations of lushes shampoo bars. Again, these might be outdated, that's from 2019. So maybe they've improved but at least as far as 2019. They got a four or a five out of 10 which is the same as your shampoo, same as my shampoo. So the study's conclusion says, if you are keen to reduce emissions from your shower, perhaps it is it is worth making your own simple solid shampoo. Haha, making your own right. But an even easier solution. Turn down the temperature of the water a degree or two? No. Yeah, so anybody who likes hot shower love pod, she'll she it? Fine. I mean, I get it. Okay. Or? Yeah. Yeah, my shower time by a minute or 10. Yeah, you could do that. Yeah. Last night. I took a colder shower. It's less pleasant for sure. I mean, it gets out of there faster, too. It does. Weigh Less relaxing. So you find some other way to relax, but that's probably a good thing. Yeah. putty. Yeah. Wow. Wow. So what did I read this granola wise? Okay. Lush. itself. Shampoo. Yeah, I think if I hadn't done it study, it would be different. Yeah. But because I did, and they're like, and I'm gonna say granola rating, one to five. granolas. I'm gonna give it to, which is Wow, Nikki. That is that is sticky. Do you disagree? No. I mean, I it's just it's like, I was expecting shampoo bars for the safe mirror of my universe. But wow. Well, I mean, you can also disagree. No, I, I think we based exactly on what you were saying. Yeah. It does. It does make sense. Yeah. I think I would have been much more on board. But it's just the math ain't math and for me. Yeah. Huh. So Elmer I mean, it was great because I can keep using the shampoo. I'm using I guess. But yeah. Okay. So let's look into some alternatives. Because there are two to try us through. Yeah. To to wish other options you could do as always DIY. Okay, so you can make your shampoo in theory, right, right. But I try. I tried. I try this. And I use a recipe from tree hugger. It had castile soap, water and believe it or not a splash of canola oil. Oh, well. Okay, wild, but that was one of one of the ones that had the fewest ingredients and the ones that I had on hand. So I took my Dr. Bronner's, mixed it with some water and splashing canola oil in there. I mean, why not? Okay, and it went about as good as it sounds like it will. So it was surprisingly foamy. That's a perk that's a plus. But right after I wash it, my hair felt heavy. Yeah, almost sticky. I felt dirty. I feel like yeah, that makes sense to me because the canola oil. I actually think it might be the Dr. Bronner's. Oh, you think so? Well, okay. Potentially I because I had used Dr. Bronner's camping to wash my hair and I remember it feeling similarly. Okay, just like not clean. And it's got oily Yeah, yeah, it was clean, but it just didn't feel clean. And so I actually re washed my hair because I knew I couldn't go a whole day. I think it would probably look like I was trying for dreadlocks. That's what it felt like it was kind of look like, Oh, yeah. And plus you add water to it. So I'm not really sure you're helping because you're adding adding more. Um, well, yeah, it was for me a quarter cup water a quarter cup Castile soaps, I'm like, is not really solving that much. Plus, castile soap has water in it anyway. So maybe it would work for others. I'm going to link these recipes as there's like four or five of them if you want to try it. You can also as the study suggested, make your own shampoo bars. Maybe that would be more successful. I don't know. Did you say that? You use castile soap for shampoo? No. Okay. I couldn't remember. Yeah. So the other option other alternative is to shampoo less. Right? So GQ says two to three times a week is as much as you want to shampoo or else you're gonna get rid of the good oils in your hair. Or you could shampoo not at all. This is the one I Yeah. Okay. I tried this. I'm just so interested. Okay. Consumer reports. Talks about the No Poo. No Poo. I hate it. The Rose words like I can't explain how much I hate. Because when I first read it, I was like, Are we like a pro constipation movement? Like I'm so confused. Like it stops you from going to the bathroom by not shampooing. Yes. I feel like they're trying to be cute, but they just really? I wish it was like no Shamp Exactly. Exactly. Anything. Anything? Yeah, yeah. So what the hell does this mean? Some people might be like, how can you not have shampoo? So instead of using shampoo, followers of the practice, use alternatives like apple cider vinegar? Yup. a cleansing conditioner, or just plain water? And some people wash a few times a week with these things, or once a month, or? Yeah. I don't know if anybody really doesn't wash their hair. I think they at least get it wet with water. But it depends on your hair and what people want to do. How often? It's said to be really especially good for curly hair. Yeah, that's the thing. The curly girl movement is all about like we wash your hair once a week. Yeah, so. Yeah, so apparently, it's supposed to be good for curly hair. Okay, so when I did it, I did apple cider vinegar. And I would have like, apple cider vinegar, and baking soda. Because my hair is so greasy. My scalp. I have like overactive. I can't even with when I have curly hair and I have to wash it or at least every other day, because my scalp just gets it just breaks out. So it was just gross. Oh, man, how long did you try it? Oh, a couple months, maybe months ago. I was like, That must be the user error. And it may have been I may not have been doing it. Right. But it's like, it's hard because you get like apple cider vinegar comes in a glass bottle, which you don't want in your shower. And you like how do you get it on your head? You need like a squirt bottle. You know? It's just kind of unwieldy. Yeah. You know that prepend a dick Dybdahl to make it shampoo, like Yeah. Yeah, so this Consumer Reports article did interview with dermatologists who do recommend it, which I found really interesting. Because they say that it can. I don't know if I believe these words, but like balance out your healthy oils, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, this whole like balancing is very annoying. It's the same thing with like, natural deodorant. People said that. But apparently there's an adjustment period, which you probably heard about. Yeah, but it's supposed to last between two and six weeks and If you don't use regular shampoo on your hair for that amount of time, you're oil. So what they say is like, you're probably going to be oilier in the beginning, well, yeah, so that Okay, so maybe I just didn't get past the honeymoon phase or the anti. Any offensive the honeymoon phase? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I have heard people have been successful with this. I don't know anyone personally. So it's hard to say like, yeah, that they're not full of shit. But yeah, but yeah, it could be between two and six weeks where you're super greasy, which is also a pretty big price to pay. Because who What are you going to do? Yeah, just a mastiff. Yeah. So you can also write shampoo, which Gross, gross. I mean, fine starch. Oh, my God. When I was looking at environmental working group, I was like, dry shampoo is horrible. Okay, hold on. We're gonna talk about I know, that's why I'm so excited for our our episode on it. But it was scary. I had to like, zoom past it. I was like, I don't want to know anyone know. They'll tell me. So you can gradually transition. So start washing your hair lists, or some people just go cold turkey. So yeah, I mean, this is an option. I think. It's intriguing. I won't be trying it anytime soon. That's where I Okay. That's totally fair. This What a bummer. I was so excited for this one. Kinda, yeah, I'm always a bummer. But one note that I wanted to make is that I wrote was reading an article, I think it was the Consumer Reports article. They mentioned this one specific non shampoo called hair stories. New wash, and it's a brand. It's a product, you can buy it. Yeah, I think Jonathan from Queer Eye sells. Yes. Yeah. likes that. Yeah. So I just wanted people to be aware that it markets itself by saying Welcome to the post shampoo era. So it markets itself as like a not really a shampoo. And it's something that people use when they want to go No Poo. But it also gets a four out of 10 from the Environmental Working Group. So that's the same as your I mean, yeah, it's slightly better than slightly better. Yeah. So yeah, just watch out for this shit. I don't know, look up what the Environmental Working Group says about stuff like this before buying into it, because I just kind of feel like a lot of the problem was a lot of the oils that they used, were not great. And so like peppermint oil, and all this other stuff. And so it's kind of like, Yeah, are you really doing yourself a favor? Maybe it maybe it works really well. But it's just think about your end goal, I guess. But right. Yeah. I mean, biggest takeaway is take shorter showers or cooler showers, right? Yes, definitely. Yeah, yeah. You know, I read, like I was like, am I really supposed to only wash my hair once or twice a week, and I read another dermatologist who was like, you know, your hair, your scalp is skin. Like you wash your face every day. Washing your hair, cleaning your scalp. You know, especially if you have oily skin or you're sweating like you can wash your hair every day. But that's the thing is like one one doctor will recommend it. One doctor says the opposite. So I think it's kind of like you got to figure out what works for you. But if you're thinking sustainability wise, you don't need to go out and buy a shampoo bar. Right. You know, okay, no shampoo again. It's not like gonna hurt anything. It's just literally like, I guess it is sustained water and it is using Yeah, packaging, but that's a big one for for my sister. She gets really upset about like, she doesn't like the Dr. Bronner's liquid soap because again, it's just shipping water all over the country. Uh huh. So that would be a big thing. That's why I would my vote on on maybe the shampoo bar would be a little bit higher, because again, reducing that water content. But yeah, I get that. I just, I think if you're thinking of it in a way of like, how can I make my shampooing most sustainable, then? No, this isn't it's not it. Yeah. How can I make it a little bit better? Yeah, sure. Shampoo Bar. Or like make your own? Yeah, I think make your own is usually what we like. Yeah, but except if it's dishwasher deter Just feeling that maybe shampoo is similar to dishwashing detergent because everyone's different. Yeah, everyone's dishwashers different. Yes. Yeah. Everyone's scalp is different. Yeah, I just think it would be really hard to find that one. And then I worry that people will start buying them. And it won't work until they buy another one and won't work. So buy another one. And just throw out what they have. Yeah. Which would suck but interesting. Yeah. Okay. You know, one time I got sold on from a New York Times article I read about our, our basic bacterial biome was I had a face spray, that was the bacteria that apparently we don't have in our skin anymore, because we wash our faces too often. Hmm. And I used that for a little bit. But the thing was that, like, I wore makeup, and I biked to work. And so you know, I might try it again sometime, if they're still making it. I don't know if it like it was kind of experimental. But the idea was that if if you don't use detergents and surfactants, and all of these things that kill off this bacteria, because there's good bacteria on your skin versus bad bacteria that they'll balance each other out. So that's an interesting, that is interesting. Yeah. But maybe something too, or they said or same shit about your armpits. And I found that that wasn't necessarily something I believed at the time. So well. Yeah, there's I mean, there's so much also probably, your diet could affect how you smell and you know, things like that. So yeah. Genetics. Yeah, your your your biome is a very interesting, delicate thing. So yes, but okay, for shampoo off the list. Well, oh, not totally. Yeah, if you want to, I feel like it wouldn't be a bad gift. If you're like giving somebody a gift. Well, then you don't know what their hair is like. Right. That's a very intimate gift. Yes. So okay, well, thank you. Yeah. I do have a quick listen or note done. Well, it's not a bad thing. No, no, I I wish we had like a get prepared for the doom of no notes on like the podcast I listened to they have like a sound that they played. Hooray. So yeah, maybe I'll just put in a break, break music or something. Hooray. Okay, so this is from we've mentioned her before. But Susan, her instagram name is Susan is sustainable. And she sent this a while ago, and I meant to mention it. And now I mentioned it. So Thanks, Susan. Yeah. So she sent us a message that she sent to the President of the United States. So I just loved it, because it was very much like, well, I'll just read it. So, Mr. President, many thanks for the work you've done thus far to reverse the impacts of emissions and global greenhouse gases on our planet. We must, however, proceed with much more urgency like our lives depend on it. For far too long, ordinary citizens have been asked to take responsibility for climate change by recycling buying electric cars reducing consumption. Large corporations, including the fossil fuel industries, textiles and plastic fabricators have created massive climate impacts and have not been held accountable. We need them to do their part urgently. I kindly implore you to declare a climate emergency and demand action from those profiting from our burning planet. My future grand children will thank you. Well, warming planet regards. That's a great sign off, Susan. Yeah. Is she says she says thanks for reframing and expanding my perspective on this topic beyond individual responsibilities, which I just loved. That's awesome. I loved it so much, because I don't know. I think we're kind of doing that for each other. Right? Like, yeah, yeah, it's like, okay, I can do so much. And I'm going to do what I can. But at some point, it is out of my hands and what can I do about that? Yes. So exactly. So I just wanted to call her out. Yeah, that's a good way. Yeah. Thanks, Susan. Yeah, thank you. spiring. I know I loved it. And thank you for listening. I also appreciate that. So what's next week? Next week? I am looking into sustainable soap. So we're going to talk about antibacterial soap for one aka the devil the devil. I think a lot of things in this season. I call the devil I think I call it maybe the devil. Well, that's fair, though. It's a lot of devils. Yeah, just we got demons in this season. Yeah, exercise. Using our demons Christmas season, it's time to exercise demon. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that should be really interesting. I wonder if it'll be different? Or how different it will be fun. Well, I think the issue we might we might discuss this here is are we going to talk about let's talk about hand soap because shower soap. Again, I think we're going to find that the most devoted to be most sustainable in the shower is to not shower as much. So, there you go. But you but I think I'll talk about hand soap. I love that. Yeah. Because especially when I'm curious about it. So, yeah, I think especially in our current COVID climate, right, I was gonna say post COVID But we're never gonna be post COVID. So, yeah, we're just post lockdowns. Yeah. And I would be curious if this fits. If you have time. Hand Sanitizer. Interesting. Okay, maybe we'll do hand sanitizer. Well. You don't have to. You don't have to. It's just wondering if it likes how it's run. Yeah. Interesting. That's because that's a whole can of worms. I feel like yeah, it probably is. Nevermind. All right. I didn't say anything. Thanks for adding research on on my weekend. Just kidding. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Okay. Okay. I'll see. I'll see if it dovetails. Yeah. This week is done, too. I love it. Yeah, hands up. It's plenty. So yeah, perfect. You know, we'll be we'll be heading into holiday time off. This will be December 19. When that one comes out. And that is when you need to wash your hands most is when you're going to be around crowds and family members. So uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that makes sense. Yeah. And then we're Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Because the second of January is our last year, we only have episode until our break. Yeah. For more for well. Yeah, we have three episodes after that. Oh, my goodness gracious. Oh, my goodness. But all right. Well, thank thank you for listening. If you could do us a favor and drop us a review on whatever podcast streaming service you use? That would be awesome. Yeah. Else and spread the word. That's our you can tell your family about our podcast, and then maybe get a holiday gift. Yeah, that'll be you. Oh, it's a Yeah. Or it's a great sustainable gift for your family. There you go. There you go. Come wrapped in a bow. Anyone who might be interested, it's free, too. So. Yeah. Yeah. And if you do want to be like Susan or my twin sister, and you don't have direct access to us via text message, you can email us at greening up my act@gmail.com or message us on Instagram. We are very responsive there as well. Yes. Yep. I think I just gave everyone 40 CTAs which is every marketing person. Happy Christmas just Yeah, most people don't even notice CTA is called Call to Action. Yeah, it is. The one thing a marketing person wants to know, if I'm gonna write this as a copywriter. I'm gonna write this. What do you want the audience to do? That's what I have to get towards. So here's 14 things. Yeah, 14 things. Every writer I would be like, Absolutely not. But as a podcaster. I'm into it. Totally, totally. Love it. All right. Well, thank you for listening. And thank you tiff for all the research