Hello and welcome to grinning got my x official first cocktail hour. This is me, stirring a gin and tonic Tiffany, what are you having this evening? We're having some red wine. Excellent choice. I think after last week's episode, we just needed to decompress a little we are recording a second episode tonight, which means we just got done talking for an hour about plastic recycling. And that was our second hour. So if you made it through with us, thank you. I hope you have a drink of choice as well. Something that you love that makes you feel good to relax your nerves or make you feel fancy. deserve it to apps freakin lately. Yeah. If you didn't if you haven't listened yet go back. Last week and the week before we did the fourth horseman of the recycle Apocalypse it was plastic recycling and if it doesn't enrage you, nothing will truly truly I lost sleep and some tears. So it's it's but it's so important. I think it's the most important thing we've done so far. Because I think that is our if we do nothing else that was our magnum opus right there. Yes. Like, I knew it was bad. But I was shocked at what I discovered. So yeah. Well, thank you for doing all that research. I'm really excited to do tonight's episode, which is on eco friendly junk collection. And specifically the company called Radwell. I love I'm so excited. Yeah, me too. I think it'd be fun as the this is our first time ever having a drink while we do this. I don't think we're not gonna go crunk or anything. But right now, I did pour a large glass of wine, but a large gin and tonic. So yeah, that's allowed. We're allowed. We're in middle of the summer here. It's 105 degrees in Austin, Texas. I think, Oh, boy. Relax. Yep. That heat dome, or whatever it's called. Which is caused by climate change not going to get to. Yeah. So this is greening up my act if you don't know we're a podcast. I hope you figure that out when you when you found us but we are committed to finding answers to Green Living questions and finding the most actually eco friendly, economically sustainable and personally possible changes to your life that you can make that work in a green sustainable mindset. And as to marketing writers, Tiffany and I both know the power of words to obscure truth from a personal unhand kind of point of view, or excuse me, firsthand point of view. So we we dig through what we call green hooey, which is marketing greenwashing that makes products or lifestyle changes look sustainable and eco friendly when they're really not. And that is our goal in the not only are they sometimes not sustainable, but they are anti sustainable. Yes. Plastic. Yes. So plastics, recycling is anti everything. Yeah, we all believe in and, and we do the research, so you don't have to is our goal. So you can listen to us for 4040 minutes to an hour every week and get some nuggets of truth and make decisions on your own. And again, we're not here to shame anyone ever. We're here here to offer alternatives that have worked for us, and that we think can work for you. And any change you make is a good change. Yeah, and plus, if we shamed anybody we would be such damn hypocrites just so hypocrites. Yeah, I'm, we're by no means green goddesses. So don't come. We never claim to know dressing. No, I am not a Greek goddess dressing. No, we're we're slightly anti essential oils and like, other things that are typically associated with being green. So yeah, we're there with you. We're just trying our best folks. Yeah, not that as hippies on the planet. But we do try to so I'm just gonna dig right in started with my sources. And this is going to be I think a shorter one than last week, which is nice. So good. Okay, good cleanser. I mean, if it's not, that's fine, too. But yeah, and if you hear my glass clinking that's my metal straw. Because I am committed to sustainability. There you go. Yeah, the sea turtles got me. Okay, so the sea turtles sources this week included radwell.com That's our I D W E ll that is the company we are looking at. Then OPB, which is a Seattle online news agency, kg W eight another news agency up in the Pacific Northwest. I also I think for the first time ever I looked at Reddit Ian's cool, yeah, and then a website called meta filter, which is a similar thing where people can ask questions and get answers from the community about things. Okay. So those are all sources I use a recently called W week was a new service as well. And then I await a website called waste dive.com. And again, we had an article about specialty recycling services like Radwell, and a few others. So we will link all of those up in our show notes. If you care to look into them. We will start with what is read well, do you know what read well Is Tiffany, have you heard of it? I only from you, but I really don't think it is a waste reduction service. So this company specifically was a startup started in Seattle by a guess what? Guess what? He is? A tech guy, marketing executive. Yeah, he's a tech bro. But he's a marketing. He's one of us. Wow, goodness. worked for Microsoft and a few other Zulily a few companies. The idea behind goodwill is they take the stuff that you can't recycle in your recycling bin. They take the wish cycling, right? All the things you wish you could recycle and throw in there anyway, that you can't really like plastic bags or plastic film, what? They take batteries, they take light bulbs, what they take clothing, and textiles and a bunch of other things well, and that's on a weekly basis. They take those specific core items, and then they partner with local companies in your area to either recycle it or reuse it. What? Yes. So I know it sounds too good to be true, right? It does the way it works. And I am a member of goodwill. Okay. So you pay a monthly fee, they give you a metal bin that sits on your front porch that says read well on it. So your neighbors all know, like getting a Prius sort of a promo. And then they give you some cloth bags with labels on them. So they say you know, here's the one for batteries. There's one for light bulbs, here's one for threads. Here's the one for plastic film, you fill up the bags, if you need to, you don't have to just run through your house, throwing things away for fun. And then if you have stuff for them to pick up, you opt in for your IDs every other week. So bi weekly, you opt in for your pickup, they have an app makes it really easy. They'll send you a text also makes it easy or you get an email, they have several ways to make sure that you opt in and then they pick it up whatever day your neighborhood is assigned and leave you new bags to fill up for next week. Wow. They do make a point of partnering with local businesses that can use that stuff, which is why they only take certain things in certain cities. Okay, so that was my big question. I was like, Is this a bunch of QE? I just said QE. We drink taken out. I think we have to drink every time we miss a drink. It's not hooey. I'm just going to talk about Austin here because I live here and I'm a consumer of Radwell or what do you call that? Customers humor. I'm a I buy into it. I give them my stuff. I'm a donor. Yeah, but I'm a participant in Bridwell here, so in Austin they take their plastic film to treks which is a company that makes building materials. And I actually my back patio that I had put on here when I moved in to this house, which is amazing is made out of trucks. So it's it looks like wood, it feels like wood, but it's a lot more durable. So that's a reuse of plastic film. So cool. Yeah, so then multilayer plastic which is a new one they're adding as a regular pickup, which is the plastic you get, like granola say might come in earlier plastic bag where it's not just one type of plastic. It's it might be plastic and aluminum or plastic and something else like a pouch or something. Yeah, like a pouch. So they pick those up? Well, I used so many pouches for kids. If you have kids as houses, yes, they take those to a company called hydro blocks, which converts those into drainage material that direct stormwater back to aquifers. Oh my god. Yeah, pretty cool. The threads and textiles they take to Goodwill, which you can do yourself of course, but this is right from your front porch twice, twice a month or whatever so so interesting that they take it to Goodwill but yeah, I thought maybe they sent it to a place that would I mean, this is again is an Austin there might be other options other places, but okay, we're we are going to have to do an entire thing about fast fashion. Yes, that's the plan for sure. Your clothes don't really get recycled, ladies. But in any case, light bulbs are sent to a company called lighting resources and they do mechanical recycling to to re make light bulbs out of the raw materials and the light bulbs you give the including Mercury gas, so that's pretty cool Styrofoam they sent to Austin recycle and reuse drop off center which is probably a place you can go yourself but it's densified so it can be Eat into stuff like picture frames. So 11 alternative to plastic, I guess. Well, I guess it is. The styrofoam a type of plastic? I think it is. I think I think it's made from oil. Yeah. So it's a petroleum product. Yeah, I think Yeah. Well, and then they take batteries to call to recycle, which again, uses mechanical recycling techniques to recover material and make new batteries. Wow. So I'll get into this makes me feel so much better. And I'm excited. I will give them all of my money, but go Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, the origin story is cute. Okay, so it's the CEO is in marketing. So of course, it's gonna be a cute story. He and his kid were hanging out one Saturday afternoon. And they're like, We got all these batteries to recycle. Where should we take them? It was Seattle, it was 2018. And he thought, Oh, my, my local place. I can take them there. But their local recycling rules for their place have changed. So it took him three calls to find a location that was actually accepting batteries. And he was like, Well, this is dumb. Why should I have to do this every week? You know, every time I have a battery recycle. And then he was talking with some friends. And they're like, Yeah, I've got a bunch too. Maybe you could take them for me. So he set up a recycling carpool. And eventually, he was picking up recycling that wouldn't couldn't go in the bin from 60 houses in his neighborhood and taking them to the recycling for them. So he was basically doing this. Yes. That was his own car. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I appreciate this to know. And so where you can use read well, if you're in Denver, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, Austin, the Bay area of California and Atlanta. Those are the only cities they're in right now. Yeah, as of November 2022, according to K GW a Portland, they had more than 75,000 customers in those cities. And so word of mouth is working. I know, they did a huge marketing campaign here in Austin. That's how I found out about them. They were all over my social media, they were all over. I mean, they their marketing CEO, he knows what he's doing. So I signed up a year ago. I've been doing it for a while. Okay. But again, it's only in those cities for now. So here are the reasons you might use red Well, okay. They, they pick up stuff that you can't put in your bin that you might not even know you can't put in your bin and they educate you on what they take. And what they do it that they're very transparent. So again, plastic film that includes plastic grocery bags, the bags that you're like broccoli and stuff from the grocery store come in, they have a whole they tell you exactly what plastic film means the tops to like when you open something and it has a plastic film. Yeah, batteries, again, light bulbs, clothes that you're not using anymore napkins, things like that. And again, Styrofoam, they get the harder to recycle stuff to places that will actually use it and make sure that these places are local to your area. So they're not like shipping it to China. I love that. And they're not going to pick up stuff that won't be used. Yeah, that's great. They're very explicit about that they pick up every other week, very convenient. They have an app also convenient. And then every month, they have a specialty pickup. And they tell you about it like a month beforehand. Like they'll do phone charging cords or shoes, or like ladies handbags. Oh, cool toys. So they'll have like a specialty or like, in February, I think they do holiday lights. Because that's when people throw out all their holiday lights after you know, the Christmas season. So they'll pick those up. And I don't know where they take them because it's different every month, whatever their specialty is, but same thing, then they say that they've saved 10 million pounds of stuff from landfills just in Austin so far. And that overall, in all of the cities where they pick up 97% of the material they collect is reused or recycled. So that's based on again, you have to clean the stuff, you can't give them dirty plastic, you know, I repair, everything has to be cleaned and sorted. So but that means they're only throwing away 3% of the stuff that they're getting, which is way better than most recycling efforts, as we know, totally. Way better. That's like, Yeah, I think the best was around what 50 60% And depending on what what even. And that's even if the 50 or 50% of stuff that gets put in the bin. Right. So they say in Austin, they claim a 100% Reuse rate for threads. So textiles and clothing, light bulbs, and batteries. So all three of those 100% recycled. Why don't they just give the threads to Goodwill? Yeah, so that's my thing. The trick is, is goodwill. Yeah, no, I think I don't trust goodwill in the slightest. Yeah. But that's interesting. I don't know maybe they have different different books. So they sort the stuff themselves in their own warehouses. And I think what they're saying is that the stuff that they're getting is good enough that when they give it to Goodwill, it's sellable. rather than trash a bowl, they said the worst problem they have is mildewed clothing. So I mean, again, because it's pre sorted by people who are conscious enough to sign up in the first place, and they're explicit enough about what they take, that it may be, it may be that on their end 100% of what they're giving to Goodwill is able to be sold. Right? Whether or not it will be isn't the story been okay? But that's where their responsibility ends. And you know, right and right now will be in our fast fashion. And then 97.9% of their multilayer plastic pickups they do and the same number for plastic film, again, this is so much better than throwing the stuff in the recycling bin and just wishing it would be recycled. And yeah, and it goes straight to the landfill. Yeah, that's so cool. And the other thing is, because it's convenient, Americans, as we all know, love convenience. So it increases recycling participation, you're much more likely to recycle, if it's easy. This is doing that thinking for you. And clear. Like I like how they have separate bags for Yes, batteries. And it's like obvious what you take. I think a lot of the time people have trouble. Well, we were just talking about this egg cartons used to be recyclable in my district. Because I know that I read it like plastic ones. I know that I read it on the website. And then I just looked among when I was doing the research and not anymore. Yeah. And it just they're really good at communication. So again, they're just starting their multilayer plastic recycling program in full force that used to be one of their monthly pickups, but it was so popular and they found hydro, whatever this company was called, what did we decide it was called? The scroll of your hydro blocks. So they found a company to work with. And so now they will more regularly take multilayer plastic. Yeah. And they're, they're very straightforward with it. Like we found a place that'll do it. So we'll take it. And so in other districts in jurisdictions, they'll use they'll recycle clamshell containers, or polystyrene foam and other other things that they they don't take in Austin currently, but they do take in Portland, OR Seattle, because they have the partners, you have to look on the website to see what they'll take in your local area. But it's again, it's super local. Well, I was just gonna say I appreciate the fact that they're this stuff sounds like it's going into, like, more long term products, rather than just recycling it back into a cup that you're going to use once and throw away, right? Which is always yes or no, I didn't go deep dive into are these companies that they're working with? I mean, I know treks is a great reuse of plastic film, but like, is the manufacturing process. It's still, you know, it's not going to Malaysia and being exactly. It's, it's a step up for sure. Yes, it's it's not perfect, but it is. Now this was something interesting. So I went looking for detractors to read well, because that's part of you know, what we have to do. I was like, is that really better? And that's where I found read it. And I saw this poster when about, well, it's just increasing the carbon footprint to have a truck come to your house and pick stuff. Okay. so hear me out, having a single truck come to your house and pick up your recycling is better than having everyone in your neighborhood drive their individual recycling to the plant? Right? Yeah, totally to the recycling center. So one truck doing a neighborhood is better than 15 trucks making that same trip right? Or 100. So that actually, you know, yes, it is a single vehicle with a carbon footprint. But it's better than 50 vehicles with their own individual carbon free. Yeah, cuz like, I'll take my stuff to Goodwill. And then I'll take other stuff to Salvation Army, and then I'll take other stuff to restore. Yeah, and this is they're taking everyone's stuff, taking it to a single sorting facility, and then taking it in bulk to the places where it's supposed to go rather than all of us making this individual right. So it is better from a car usage standpoint. I mean, you know, hopefully they're gonna have electric vehicles at some point, but for now, it is better to have a single truck do it then, you know, 50 I don't you know, the the reason I know this math, I used to subscribe to a CSA, which is community supported agriculture. I'm in one. Yeah. And it was, yeah, you get a delivery box of groceries once a week or every other week. And the guy who owned the CSA was talking about, you know, I feel really bad about having a truck making these deliveries all over town all week. But then I did the math. And again, if all of you came to our place to pick up your CSA once a week, that'd be 50 cars making a 10 mile round trip, on average, whereas I'm just making 130 mile round trip, you know, it cuts it back. And he's like, I did the math over and over again. And that's how I know that that you know, that math makes sense. Yeah, that is really interesting. I yeah, I think we're in talking about CSAs later so I can say this, but I our our CSA delivery costs like$150 More More. Well, yeah, so I was like, I'm gonna just pick it up because it's like, four minutes drive from my daughter's daycare, but Okay, so you're on the way and yeah, but I have started just kind of like stopping at a coffee shop hanging out and then going and so I'm like driving home driven vector. But yeah, I'm not paying 150 bucks right now. No, that's so this CSA was free to like I don't know if they still do it so right. Yeah, that makes sense. I was like yeah, sure, right? Oh yeah, I totally would have done it then. But it is also really nice to be able to just hang it because it's at this little cutie market and talk to people and I never leave my house because I work remotely so I totally take advantage. Any excuse. Okay, so yeah, okay, so those are the why you might use red. Well. I should also say if you're that kind of person, it totally gives you like ego cred. I don't know if that's a thing we can talk about. But like street cred, but for like ecological, like having a Prius. I love it. The red. Well, Ben, you're eco cred. Yeah. Eco great. I love it. It gives you eco credit, you know, and that most eco credit is green Hui. But again, social pressure is a great way to introduce change. And if you can get other people interested in these kinds of programs, I don't think there's anything wrong with having a little eco cred, right? As long as it's not the word that everybody loves to use is performative. Yes. I mean, if it really is meaningful, and I think electric cars are meaningful, you know, just it's one step forward, and 30 steps back, still keep taking that one step forward. Ladies and gentlemen, please, and everyone else, yes, please do. Okay, so reasons you might not use red well, okay, cost, it's at least $14 a month, it varies by the location, that just gives you the basic pickup for that plastic film batteries, light bulbs, threads, whatever, then you pay extra, if you have another bag of plastic film, they cost $10 To do a bag of Styrofoam, so you really have to make a collection of that. And then you know, other items, it costs extra for the multilayer plastic program so that the subscription fees can add up, right? Also, it could be unnecessary if these recycling services are available at your local waste management spot. And it's not inconvenient for you to get there. And it's not too far for you to go and you know what they take, and they always take the same stuff and you're able to take it yourself, you may not want to pay this, you may just want to go on your Saturday morning, run to the farmers market and drop off your recycling. Or if you don't live anywhere near any of those places like me, and I'm angry at a time. Yeah, well, there's other programs anyway. It's coming. Just I'll say that it is coming. So the issue is, again, contaminants, just like with your regular city been recycling, if you don't give them the clean recyclables, they're probably just going to have to throw it in the landfill anyway, okay. Now, again, they claim they put over 97% of what they get to good use. So that's way better numbers than other recycling programs. But you just have to remember that that does put the onus on you to make sure you're putting the right things in the right bag, and they tell you how to clean it. Yeah, they do they have a lot of educational materials, because again, they're a marketing firm. Okay, and what you were just complaining about, yes, limited pickup, if they're not in your zip code, you can't use them anyway. They also take limited items. So they may not even pick up the stuff you want to recycle that, you know your recycling place doesn't take. So that it may be a moot point in that sense. The worst part, I think is increasing wishful thinking about recycling. Right? If you think you can put your plastic film into the Redwall bin, it may stop you from doing the active work of not getting stuff with plastic film to begin. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's what we all should be striving toward. So I know I do this. When I go to the grocery store. I list. I feel less guilty now about getting the pre bagged pre cut broccoli. Totally. I already felt like a huge sense of relief when I thought this was an option for me. Yes, well, yeah. It's just like, Oh, thank god. No, no, it's true, though. It's true. There's no escaping. Yeah, it would be better for me to just get my broccoli without a bag delivered by my local CSA. But, you know, it does. It does plant that seed in your head. It is wishful thinking. Not quite wish cycling. Yeah. Because you are actually recycling but totally again, yeah, absolutely stymieing The reduce. It's just like recycling in general, like, oh, this cardboard is recyclable. Therefore, I can order from Amazon 100 times. No big deal. Yeah. No. Yeah. Another issue is that. And this this came up a lot. They might be skirting important regulations. And I don't think on purpose. But so in Portland, for instance, there was a campaign by traditional trash collection or waste management agencies to get rid well blocked because they didn't go through the regulated regulatory compliance rules that are set in place by city and local governments were charged regarding trash pickup, right? So they did say the new story I read said that Radwell did a little bit of due diligence. They emailed the Portland bureau of Planning and Sustainability asking if they could start doing pickup and they were like, sure, you know, they like try to cover their bases, but It, you know, I don't think a lot of people think about it was the same problem when Uber was introduced. Yeah, I was gonna say absolutely. Yeah. Taxi, taxi drivers were mad, not just because they were losing business. But they were, they were losing money because Uber and Lyft weren't held to the same regulatory, like, you didn't have to be licensed to be a driver. Anyone write your driver, which is also a safety issue for Lyft pickup, you know, your Uber driver doesn't have to, I mean, they they said they pass background checks, but there are definitely pretty sketchy systems out there and very little recourse. I absolutely agree with the taxi drivers in this sense, because you used to go hop in a taxi. This is a little off topic, but useful hop in a taxi and be like, I want to go here and they would just be like, okay, and not have to pull out a phone. They just knew the city. These Uber drivers know me, I literally have never had an Uber driver who doesn't use his phone for directions is it's part of it. It's how they log their miles. That's true. Oh, that's true. Actually never thought about that. Maybe they do know where they're going kind of. Yeah, but they do. They're often I mean, they're untrained. I've definitely had people pick me up maneuvers that had never been to the airport before in their life. And they just started driving today. And it took 40 minutes for them to figure out where the pickup was, you know, because they kept circling the airport, like first time, you know, annoying whereas a taxi driver just I had I took a taxi in San Francisco the other day, and he's like, Yep, I know where that is. And he just takes it's so nice. There's something really wonderful about it. But anyways, and and the report that they have their license right there. And if you need to report them to the authorities, you can't the numbers right there, right. Yeah, reporting to Uber. I'm like, No, I don't know if they actually give a shit. Yeah, I have weren't. I wonder there's a lot of lawsuits out there. So there is some question. Okay. Now, I will say that picking up trash. I find a little bit less concern about my trash collector being unlicensed. I kind of agree with you, if they're handling hazardous materials, maybe or if they were like putting people at risk, but it's they're picking stuff up from my porch. They're not coming into my house, you know, it's a pretty straightforward. There was a lawsuit that Radwell filed in 2022, against Washington County in Oregon, because the county had stopped them from doing pickup in unincorporated areas around the state around the county. And again, it the the articles I read said that the big waste companies aren't really concerned about ridable itself, but about the big waste, boom, that's coming. So they're kind of looking out for their future of owning waste collection. What does that mean? The big waste boom? Well, they're thinking there will be bigger companies that are going to just like, what happens next? Are they going to offer to sort your trash for you right there? You know, are they going to take municipal contracts out of business? Are they going to start their own landfills? You know, there's all kinds of issues with privatization in that sense. It's a million dollar industry, you think it's 75,000 people pay$14 a month? How much money you think they're making? Yeah, they do say that the increased costs for things like multilayer plastic that they collect, are eaten up by the cost it takes to transport it to the places they take them. So there's that consideration, the cost of operations for this is expensive, again, because the United States doesn't have really centralized recycling programs that do these things. But it's big business. It's and it's coming. I like we were just saying people are waking up to the fact that plastic is just the worst. And if somebody develops a way to take plastic and make it reusable, in a way that every consumer in America is going to want to be a part of, and they're transparent. And they have an app, you know, yeah, it's fair. If they're not regulated, the hard thing is that you're kind of like crossing your fingers that they are doing good rather than evil. Yeah. So I get that I understand that actually. You know, trash is one thing that Americans especially just want out of their house. I don't want to hear what happens to it after it's out of my house. You know, totally. I mean, I do it. I'm like, I mean, like I told that story earlier about donating my frickin pasta maker and my, like, very nice pasta. Yeah, home hand pasta maker and just seeing it thrown into pieces cracked apart. Yeah. In goodwill. I'm like, Well, I used to be in denial and oblivious. And now I can't be anymore. Thanks, Goodwill. Yeah, no, exactly. I mean, there is a question of that. But it's also the way of the future and like you were saying, you were excited to hear about it. I was excited when I saw Red Bull was coming to my neighborhood. I didn't even do the research into it before I bought into them. Yeah, yep. And I'm glad I've done it now. And I feel good about it. Right. Totally. But it's time. Yeah, there. There are issues at hand, you know, so we'll see. We'll see what happens. Yeah, that's really interesting. I still would probably use them but yeah. Well, there are other alternatives. Okay. I mean, there's obviously your local for recycling center where you can drop stuff off, you just have to know county or municipal website to visit to see what they're actually taking. And you have to keep on top of that. So you're not surprised? Yeah, they don't I don't think mine takes batteries. It's very annoying. Yeah, that sucks. They take batteries at like REI or somewhere really random. Yeah, that's my like, I don't know if I'm random. That's the thing about red well is they do it for you. They know where they are the batteries go and they take it for you. They do the research. So you don't have to, which is kind of what we do. Exactly. There's also a couple other companies, there's one called TerraCycle, which will send you a box, okay, and you ship it back to them. And they're like, this is great, because it's actually already, you know, the postman is already coming. So why not just use a truck that already exists? We're not putting an extra truck on the road, right? There's one called rabbit recycling. There's one called Casella waste systems. And there's probably plenty in your local area if you just do a Google for recycling pickup, but these are kind of the big players that are doing major campaigns on a large scale. Okay, they exist. They're out there. Are you ready for my granola rating? Yes. Okay. So we rate services and products on a scale of one to five granolas one being soggy which is the worst you would have granola be or last week, for instance, plastic recycling was a zero, which was sodden, wet. What did you call it? waterlogged? Yeah, why zero is water like we've only had one waterlogged and one soggy granola so far, huh. And then it goes all the way up to five, which is breaker tooth off. I'm really tempted to give rid will break your tooth off. I might go with crunchy which is just below that, which would be a four. But I really I do think it does help make things more convenient, which increases recycling. And they're doing it locally. They're creating jobs. They're transparent. They make it so easy. They take stuff your dump might not the cut or that might take but it's not easy to get to the dump. They cut down on co2 emissions by you know, having one truck go to the centers. The only major detractor for me is that wish cycling factor again where Yeah, I feel like I can I can safely get plastic and you just have to check that and be aware of it. Yes. The other big thing is lack of access. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's gonna change. You think so? I do. I think they expand. I mean, they're making millions of dollars. And yeah, they have a lot of backing people love them. Also, probably the affordability. Because is that really affordable for most$14 a month? I mean, that's your Netflix subscription. Which we all know, Netflix is trash. Have you seen anything on Netflix lately? That you were like, yes, no, I started watching something last night. I was like, why my Washington. All it's all foreign movies that have been dubbed in English, which I love foreign movies. But it's like, it's clear that they're cutting costs by filming abroad, you know, and it's some of them are really good stories, but it's like, okay, I eat there's not much compelling television on, you know, and it's also like, I think I'm past the pandemic point of television is life. Yeah, we're just like, I don't want to watch TV anymore. I watched way too much. And then I just the other day was like, why am I doing this? This is stupid. I quit watching TV, because it's weird. It's not like the one thing we all it's not our national pastime anymore. Right? To segmented nobody's watching the same stuff like all watch. With the guy I'm dating will watch a TV show together. Maybe but that's like it, you know, and there's a lot of other options. So I don't know. I would rather get rid of Netflix and Harvard. Well, personally. Yeah. $14 a month. What is that per year? $168. Okay, that's a single car payment for me. I mean, I would absolutely. I'm just trying to think about like most people convenience. Yeah. I mean, that's the question. Is it worth it? I think for a lot of I mean, especially if you don't have a car? Yes. And a lot of these cities are areas where people may not have Yes, it makes sense to not now there is some difficulty I would say they like expanding to cities where most people live in an apartment rather than a house because where you're going to put the red walls and the stairs, but one of our former cars. So Tiffany and I used to work together at a company and she used to say that in their neighborhood. One person had the goodwill bin, and everyone in the neighborhood came and filled it. Oh, that's really smart. So there's a community aspect to that, too. It's really you can have your neighbor with the goodwill. And you know, I might start doing that with my neighbors and say, Hey, y'all, I haven't heard Well, Ben, do you want Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't argue with you if you gave it a crunchy or sorry. Yeah. A break. A fight. Yeah, I think so. You know, it's, it's really cool. It's growing. It's going to be here one day, and I'm going to make it be. Yeah, yes, you should I'm you can go on to their website and enter your zip code and they'll send you an email when they call. That's awesome. Okay, I'm gonna do that because I really appreciate how they work with companies that actually will use this stuff that you give them. It's not just like, like you said, which likely, they're not pretending. Yeah, you're not just sending it over. Received yes to live in a new land. Exactly. So nice. I mean, okay, so that was a palate cleanser from plastic as I got, and I needed that, you know, there's because it's a relatively new program, it's only been since 2018 or so, you know, the old there's only one redditor who detracted from it that I could find. So if you are out there and you know, dirt on Bridwell that I just totally missed. Could you send us an email at greening up my act@gmail.com? And let me know or tell us on Instagram or wherever? Because I just felt like, Is this too good to be true? You know, I mean, obviously the regulations issues and the wish cycling issues and and again, there are issues with truck like, everyone quit buying stuff that makes waste. Yeah. Just just quit buying plastic. Do your best to quit buying plastic. And if you can't do that get rid Well, you know, like that's, it's a it's a lesser of two evils. Yeah, I would say right, but I've thank God for lesser of two evils. Yeah, that we have these options. It's not all pure evil. Yeah. Yes. So there you go. That's my riddles. That was great. I'm very glad to hear that. We're not all there are like some options. I love how they're taking stuff that's like supposedly unrecyclable I just looked up TerraCycle and I found that there's like through TerraCycle there is a girl Gerber has a free recycling program for their package. Oh, wow. So like, so like baby for their pouches or their pouch? I didn't. So I'm so behind on a Gerber Baby Food because like, there was a point in middle school when the girls were like, Oh, I eat baby food, which I was. I don't know, when I was 12 year old girls do stupid things. But I was like, Well, it's a little glass jars and like no, of course they're in pouches. Right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, maybe I don't know how new the pouches are. But yeah, they're here now. Yeah, but yeah, they're pouches and their other little like tubs with little cheese puffs. And I'm like, assuming these aren't recyclable, but they take them through TerraCycle Awesome. Well, it looks like rabbit recycling is based in Philadelphia. So let's see what their service map looks like zero waste in a bucket. They call it interesting. Yeah, they're in like, yes, the only in Philadelphia looks like okay, but if you're in Philadelphia, and they work with bottle underground goodbye supply South Philly food Co Op. So they it looks like and they take circle compost. So it looks like they take compost, which is pretty cool. That is cool. Yeah, cuz it looks like TerraCycle partners with all these companies. A mica does the hairspray. Oh, that's huge. Yeah, I think I have some actually. Armand Hammer, which is our baking soda. They partner with them. Also for toothpaste. Berea law ready pasta free recycling envelopes, baby Bell cheese, which I use all the time now for Charlie. Wow, this is so I'm gonna look into this more because that's really interesting. They're just oh, they take bento bones. You know the ones for dogs? Oh, well, yeah, I don't I don't know how this works. But that's fascinating. Huh? Oh, Black and Decker small home products like coffee pots and vacuums. Yeah. Whoa, okay. This is really cool. I mean, that's the thing is that there may be other places in your, you know, your local area that do collection that you don't know about yet. But the thing with these places is that you don't have to leave your home to get it done. Right, is the American way. Sorry, the pandemic changed us we want things delivered to us and taken away from us. I know, you know, and I'm going to retro actively tell a story. I think like, a couple of years ago, I said this on Facebook, and I should look it up and be like, This was me. I said this and somebody took my idea. I posted on Facebook about how I like I've seen all these subscription services for they'll like, give you like a box full of clothes, you know, or, you know, a box full of stuff. And I was like, what about if you sent me a box and I sent you all this stuff I don't want anymore and you handle figuring out where it goes. That was my idea. Right? And that's what they do now. From my mouth to god's ear. But I'm I don't think I could I could claim any rights to that idea. But it's on Facebook. I swear to you. That's awesome. What if what if? That's great. You made it happen? I did. My wish. My wish. Oh, yeah, this is this is really cool. So good. I'm definitely gonna look into that. Awesome. So what's next week my friend? Yeah. So next week. First off, we're gonna have a little mini episode. On Thursday come out. So this this episode is coming out on August 8. So in a dead heat of summer. Well, it's already hot in Austin here in June. So yeah, well, there you go. And then we're gonna have a mini episode on how to reuse jars because I have been obsessive about reusing my jars and I found some tips and tricks. Some from Nancy. I'll be honest, Nancy are all hail St. Nancy. We talked a lot about Nancy birtwhistle who has an amazing she's Great British Bake Off lady who was our patron green saint. Yes. But she has a great Instagram. So anyway, yeah, so, and I've just been doing some experimentation. So I feel like I have a lot to offer but it's gonna be mini episode just for a quick, quick tidbit if you're interested. And then the next week I'm gonna talk about reusable stuff. And so I'm looking into like reusable saran wrap, reusable zip locks, and just gonna blink on my reusable straw here and see here it Yep, yeah, cuz I found a couple articles that are really useful in this regard to look into. Are these actually worth our time? So awesome. That's gonna be fun. Can't wait. Yeah, I'm excited. Well, thank you, Tiffany. This has been an uplifting episode. I didn't even finish my gin and tonic. I was so excited about talking about red well, so well. I'm not surprised. I definitely finished my wine because Oh, good. Let's have a little giggle fest let's do some cackling I don't know I can't even imitate how the men cackle on the comedy websites. It's like wakes me up. And I'm like to Shut up, man. Just shut up. So funny. So I don't I think the thing is, I don't listen to any podcasts without that. Sorry, any male lead podcasts. I only listen to women lead podcast. My goodness, you brazen feminists, I didn't realize that I did that until I started listening to one that's actually really good. It's called Tooth and Claw. It's about animal attacks. It's really a good one. But sometimes it's three dudes. And sometimes they talk about women in a way that's really annoying. And I actually think that they're very respectful in general, and I don't think they're bad people. But sometimes they're just like, oh, that hot chick. And I'm like, Come on, guys. Like, curl up. Yeah. Are you crazy? Like, yeah, it's like, because isn't three dudes to mean to think how often do we get as women because Miss might be too much. But like, we just turned this 30 minute podcast and 45 minutes feminist rant. But you We so rarely as women are privy to men's private conversation thing, which is it? Which is something that men don't recognize is that like, yes, they don't cat call it when there's a man around, and we don't know what you're talking about in the locker room. So disconnect about, like, yeah, we're not there to be like, hey, maybe don't call us chicks. You know, I listened to some tech bros talk about the wife, oh, at dinner behind me the other night and I was sitting in a bar and they kept referring to their colleagues, wives as the wife, I'm like, does she have a name? And you know, it was the implication was that she controlled the trajectory of this man's life. And I'm like road partners, you know, it's life. Oh, men who are married to these women, I can almost guarantee you don't feel that way about their wives. And so it's ridiculous that I'm like, oh, so derogatory. And like, these are, this was San Francisco. These are supposed to be forward thinking men, and they're the leaders of big tech companies that are supposed to be changing the world. Right? I may still refer, you know, it's it's funny to call women's a wife and like, talk about her. Like, she's some horrible battleaxe, you know, right. And you might as well be on Wall Street and like, 1980. Yeah. I was like, What am I in madmen? If I Peggy, like, sitting in the corner here drinking my glass of Rosae because I also am a stereotype. But anyway. It was a fun, fun evening, but Okay, so, on that note, I will finish my gin and tonic and I will leave you to enjoy your evening of the rosy feeling of having heard about eco friendly junk collection. Yes, thank you. You're welcome. And I'll talk to you next week. Thanks to me, okay.