Hi Ken hatIve how are you? I'm so happy to be back. Oh my gosh, me too. It's just so so good to be back in front of the microphone. needed all I need the attention from our massive mountain fans. Huge Hi, mom. Actually, I don't think my mom even listens so high 10 sister. I don't know. I don't think my mom knows how to listen. I don't I don't blame her. Yeah, my neither. Yeah, break was good. I did a lot of things. It's very specific. I went to North Carolina that was nice. Went to the beach. I'm actually 100% not a beach person. So yeah, it was a family trip, though. So it was actually really fun to just have Charlie hanging out with her cousins. And oh, that's cool. Yeah, it was adorable. We saw a double rainbow and we have this video of Charlie just shouting rainbow. Like that. Did you remember that video that came out of the guy was like a double rainbow. And he's like, freaking out. No, but that was pretty much what was happening. And all the people from the house next door were like adults shouting that thing. It has an effect. Yeah, I can see that. How was your break? was good. I went home to Albuquerque for one of my really good friends. We just have a party every year called eating day. Which is exactly what it sounds like. Love it day devoted to eating and we hadn't done it in since before the pandemic because his father had passed away. So it was our first time back and five years and everybody had four year old children. I don't know what happened. But there were 400 Am that weren't there. So, which was cool, but we taught them about eating day the tradition continues. So it was great. That's adorable. Yeah. You're like, Wait a minute. You weren't here before? Yeah. Though, you know, in my mind, they all were just born. So I don't know how they're walking and talking. So Right. Probably neither know how to read almost. I know. Oh, my God. Don't tell me that. But uh, Hey, Welcome to Season Two of greening up my act with this season, we're talking about waste, which, you know, that means we're gonna get wasted with you. Just kidding. It's not about that kind of waste. So what are we doing this season? Tiffany, we are talking about lots of things. If you're the teaser, you'll know a little bit but we're talking we're gonna start with recycling. And talk about how how do you describe it? How ridiculous it was? Because I was like, corrupt, Meaningless, meaningless. I mean, it's not we not all of it is I think we need to narrow that down to plastic. Yeah, other recycling is pretty, not well, some of its some of its actually really good and interesting and, and helpful. And, you know, great for communities. And then plastic recycling is a sham. I'm just gonna throw it out there a sham 100%. That was a great word to describe it. Yeah, we'll get into that. And I'm pumped for that episode. But yeah, cuz I had just been reading all these articles about recycling. And now it's a broken system. And then we found some things that you recycle, or actually, it works relatively well. Not like, it can't be improved. But right. Yeah. But it's really interesting process. Because, you know, you think you just throw everything in that blue bin and it goes in, it's fine. But that's not how it works. So I'm gonna say after that, we're going to talk about other ways to dispose of waste that aren't your city municipal recycling program, or your landfill or landfill. Yeah. So Beyond The Beyond the bin, I think that section, but we're calling this the first four episodes of the season, the four horsemen of the recycle apocalypse, because of that sham factor, I think, really? You and I have both on our research on aluminum and paper, and they're probably not. They're not plagues. Really. But glass and plastic. Plastic is definitely death. 100% and glass might be famine. I think that that's appropriate. The other two are like my little ponies. So yeah. It's like sparkle pony and paper pony. I don't know. Sorry. I didn't mean to remove. Sparkle is definitely aluminum though. It's shiny, bony, shiny. But yeah, yes. Yeah. And then later in the season, we're gonna talk about like, composting. We're gonna try our hands at that. And although it's kind of, we should probably start now because it takes a while but yeah, there's A municipal recycling program in my city. So my my recycling program is putting it from the little thing on my countertop into the green bin outside where all right, good, takes it away. Okay, I have that option too, but I have to drive it. I'm not going to do that. So I'll just try it at home. Yeah, there you go. And then yeah, some reusable things that everybody seems to love. And we're gonna explore them like reusable stasher bags, like Ziploc bags or reusable straws. Yeah. So how to reduce your use. Yeah, and then you're gonna get into food waste, which is going to be really interesting. Yeah, finding out ways to quit throwing all your food in the trash America. Yeah, and exploring whether or not they actually like these tactics or hacks or whatever will actually work. Yeah. Because I'll be honest, I'm a big food waster. And I'm not proud of it. But I've been a lot better lately. So that's good. I'm, I'm the same way I have my eyes for vegetables are bigger than my stomach. And I like look broccoli, that's gonna last for six months, right? And then No, it doesn't generally last for six months, maybe in the freezer, but not in your fridge. So Right. Gross. Gross ease. You Yeah, but do you want to just jump dive into running a sparkle pony? Sparkle pony number one. Aluminum recycling? Yeah. Well, should we talk about the recycling industry? A little bit? Yeah. Can we dish a little? Because I know you've you've dug into it? And I want to know, yes. So this is something that I think surprises a lot of people because it surprised the hell out of me when I first learned about it. But basically, the recycling industry in general is kind of shady. Because it was supported very much so by big industries, like Coca Cola, like I think some oil companies, because they wanted to be able to create disposable, like to veer away from glass bottles, you know, like your coke used to come in glass bottles, because it's expensive. And they're delicate. Yes. Yeah. And they were responsible for taking them back and cleaning them. And that was expensive. And they didn't want have to deal with it. So they sort of jumped on the recycling bandwagon. This is specifically for plastic, but I think it kind of, you know, other to the rest of it. Yeah. And, yeah, they basically had lots of ads. Like I found this NPR article that pulled out this ad that said, the bottle may look empty at its anything but trash. And it's this ad from the 1990s says it's full of potential, we've pioneered the country's largest, most comprehensive plastic recycling program to help plastic fill, fill valuable uses and roles. But the whole time they the same article quoted another former president of the Society of plastics industry, saying that, if the public thinks that recycling is working, then they're not going to be as concerned about the environment. Because they knew classic specifically, plastic recycling wasn't going to work. No. And so much. And like I haven't done the research yet on the plastic episode, but so much of it goes straight into the landfill. So and, and it's just the American public is like, Oh, well, number one, the companies that are producing the plastics should be in charge of recycling it. Yeah. Like they used to be. They used to be responsible for making sure that all of those class coke bottles weren't littering the beaches. And now it's like, they basically sold us a bag bag of goods is that a trash bag, bag of friggin literally a bag of trash. And it really like shit really hit the fan in 2018. When we used to before then, basically China decided in 2018, that they didn't want to accept most of our recyclables a lot of plastic. But because we as Americans were so bad at recycling, because I think we just have this idea that anything's recyclable, throw it all in. And we were sending them our garbage. Like it wasn't right. I understand why China did it. But they basically, they didn't necessarily ban imports of recycling from the US, but it feels like a bank because I think it dropped from like 90% to 10%. Wow. So we ran into this issue where we still haven't really solved it. And it's like, we don't have anywhere to send this stuff. And it basically turned from a profitable industry into a not profitable industry. The opposite and expensive expense and expense communities. Yeah, so it's, it's pretty wild. And yeah, we're kind of in this wild Last of we don't really have all the solutions yet, but But yeah, so that's why we wanted to look into recycling because it's like, everybody, everybody thinks that it's the right thing to do that it's good. That it's a solution that it's like, way better for the environment that it's yeah, if you don't do it, you're evil. Yeah. And somebody's taking care of it. Yep. Yes. That's the big thing. It's like, just a Starbucks cup is definitely gonna be recycled. Absolutely. And it's like, probably not. Plastic doesn't go away. No, eternal plastic is forever more than diamonds. Plastic is forever. More than diamond. Tell the beers that should be like this society of plastics slogan more than time. But anyway, onto aluminum. We were chatting a little bit and it seems like some recyclables are okay. And hoping aluminum is one of them. Yeah, so I'm going to take you on a ride about our sparkle pony aluminum. So first, I just want to go through my billion sources here. Yes, I started with the aluminum leader. What is aluminum? They also have How is aluminum produced? I then I went to Gabriel, which has an article about how you pronounce aluminum. Is it aluminum or aluminium? Learn about the middles fascinating spelling history. That's our actual article and only, you know funny. Well, depends where you live, right? Yeah, well, good. Well, oh, wait a minute. Okay. Then. Green Citizen is aluminum foil recyclable, which I believe you found. And then in a little article from better meets reality is how much aluminum is left in the world will we run out and what happens if we do which is really just a bunch of aggregated articles from other places. The week had a YouTube video about why we will never run out of aluminum. I hate to do spoilers here. Green tumble is how is aluminum recycled the recycling process. The recycling partnership had a an article about recycling initiative that captures 4.1 million new pounds of aluminum annually annually, which I didn't get into too much. But I thought it was an interesting piece. Republic Services has an article on two things you should always recycle to help the planet with some interesting statistics. Now we get into kind of the deep dive here studies on the impact of bauxite mining activities on the environment of coal have poor district in India. That's a research article. We had an article from the Columbia climate school state of the planet project Dr. Sustainability commitments from Guinea's bauxite mining industry, then the Institute of Physics had processing red mud as a factor of removing the risk of environmental disasters. So I'm telling you what direction this article is going right. And then tomra had a thing about bottle bills, bottle bill states and how they work. The Seattle Pei had an article on environmental problems associated with the recycling of aluminum. And then Uber cut a really great article about which states are the best or worst for recycling. Oh, wow, that's interesting. You might want to see as well, I think, yeah. Some details about aluminum. We're gonna go into people in the UK call it aluminium. Because a bunch of British chemists in the 19th century thought it sounded more classical. That's it. They just liked because when they were naming it, the British chemists were like aluminium and the Americans were like aluminum. And so that's why that's it. So. So typical. Well, you can read the fascinating history from jbn. But that's not why we're here. Right? Right. So aluminum is an element, it was discovered in the 1824. So it's the 13th. It's number 13. On the periodic table, it's a metal. As you know, it's the most widespread metal on the planet. It makes up 8% of the earth's core mass, according to aluminum leaders. So that's a lot. That is a lot. But it doesn't occur naturally in its pure form, because it binds too easily with other elements. So in order to get pure aluminum, you have to process it. And this is done using electricity. So there was no aluminum before there was electricity. So you can think Hey, Tesla and Edison for that, right? Yeah, historic viewed. Yeah. We're not a Tesla anyway. But yeah, but go Tesla. The first time anyone produced pure aluminum was 1824. But it wasn't they didn't create an industrial process for it until after 1870. So it's known for being lightweight, durable, easy to process, and it's resistant to corrosion. It also doesn't catch fire, and it's not toxic, like other metals. So it's kind of an ideal material catch fire. Yeah. Okay. I don't I don't know what metals catch fire. That's interesting. Yeah. It doesn't conduct electricity unless it's combined with other elements. So if you combine aluminum with other elements, you can make all sorts of stuff like the wires In your phone, they say it could replace copper. They also make alloy aluminum alloy wheels for your car. They make engine parts from it. automobiles and airplanes are all like everything around you is built from aluminum. On some level, you've probably seen aluminum doors, you've seen aluminum ladders. They're usually aluminum alloys because pure aluminum will be a little bit too lightweight for those things, but there's a lot of everywhere. Okay, so the most common form of aluminum that occurs naturally is aluminum sulfate. And that's used as a chemical to clean water to cook. They put it in medicine and cosmetics. But for our purposes, today, we're going to talk about pure aluminum that the quote unquote tin foil uses and actually aluminum foil and your household cans. Okay. Okay. So, again, I'll go into the process of how you make aluminum later, but most of this aluminum comes from an ore called bauxite ore. Okay? A big statistic. If you just Google aluminum recycling, or just aluminum in general, every article will say 75% of the aluminum that has ever been produced since 1880. is still in use today. What? Amazing Yeah, that Bud Light you were drinking? Probably made up partially of Alumina was in created in. Yeah. I was thinking was made into my next but like, but yeah, yeah, well, that too. But I don't even like Bud Light. The Bud Light. I know. I don't drink light either. But it's just you know, it's a can. The Lacroix Lacroix that you're drinking. Yeah, right now, it's one of the sustainability of these drinks we're drinking. The one thing I want to point out here is don't be confused, you would think that would mean that 75% of aluminum is recycled. But that's not a fair statistic. It's just 75% of the aluminum that has ever been created. Since it was started in 1874. Whenever is still in production today. So but that's not from recycling. What it is from recycling. But that doesn't mean that 75% of all aluminum is recycled. Okay. There's a false statistic there. They're not correlated. correlated correlation. There's no correlation necessarily. Yeah. Sounds right. To me, recycling aluminum. It's one of the most recyclable materials on the planet. It doesn't break down during the process. It's a pretty straightforward process. You sort it, first of all, right? You shred it, you clean it, you melt it down, remove any byproducts. So anything else that shows up in it? You create an alloy, and then you compound it. This is done. Actually, you know, we were talking about China takes most of our plastic are used to there's a lot of recycling actually done in the United States is a simple enough process that they can go to the United States. Okay. Do they have to do anything to get like the colors off them? That would be removing the byproducts? Okay. Yeah, the paint and stuff? Yeah, yeah. Aluminum recycling rates in 2018, which is the most recent data? Well, that I found from the EPA, they said 3.9 million tons of aluminum were produced, including 1.9 million tons of aluminum containers and packaging, and then 2 million tons of durable and non durable goods that would be like your wheels and your letters. And so the total recycling rate of aluminum containers and packaging, so that's your Bud Light cans and your food containers and your tin foil or excuse me, aluminum foil was 34.9% 35%. That's pretty low. Yeah, but if you just look at beer and soft drink cans, we recycle those at 50.4%. Hmm. But that still means that in 2018 2.7 million tonnes of aluminum went to the landfill. I was gonna say that's still low, like 15%. Yeah, I did. There may be reasons for that. Okay. But interesting. I was like one out of every, some some places said that 65% of aluminum is recycled. So that that's apparently so green tumbles, stated that, and that was 67% of aluminum cans in the world. So two out of three worldwide, which means, you know, probably Holland is doing a lot better job than we are. Generally they do Europe in general. Yeah, recycles a lot more than we do. So whatever the reasons are for that. Only 50% of our soda cans are recycled in the US. Step up your game. Yeah, especially if it actually functions. Yeah, like if the system works. Yeah. Then we wanted to get into why you might not want to recycle aluminum. Okay, so first of all, as with any manufacturing process in the United States, aluminum recycling can also cause environmental issues. Okay, according to Seattle PII, this can include there's toxic melted waste. There's a toxic cake that is created by the recycling process that's made of salt That disposing of it is difficult and toxic. There's also the burning of fossil fuels to run the machines and the electricity needed to do that. And then of course, air pollution from melting the aluminum down. Those are all reasons why you might not want to recycle aluminum. Right. Okay. I'm curious to see how it stacks up against. Well, I'll keep going new. Yeah. Okay. Another reason you might not recycle aluminum is, it's really difficult for recycling facilities to separate out clean aluminum from dirty aluminum. So it's really easy for it to get classified as contaminated by the recycling facility during pre sorting. And if they call it contaminated, it's gonna get thrown in the trash anyway, dirty aluminum can't be recycled. And we're talking about your lasagna topper when you're baking, and it's got cheese and grease in it. That stuff can be recycled gums up the works. Also, you can rinse that before you throw it in the recycling bin, you can clean aluminum foil before you toss it. But if it's got grease on it, I mean, in general, just everybody knows. oil and grease is not allowed in recycling. So your pizza boxes also, I'm not sure you're going to talk about that. But we talked about it. Glass bottles that had essential oils in them can't be recycled because of the oil, right? So just know that you have to throw it away. If you can't scrub it down. Also, it needs the aluminum should be separated from any other recyclable or trash materials. So for instance, you know, sometimes you get those food containers that are aluminum foil, and then on the top, they have like a paper that's gotten like aluminum. Yeah, you probably can't separate the paper from the aluminum in that. So you're just going to throw it away. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, on top of right there, if it's combined or something if you if it comes attached to plastic and you can safely remove the plastic from the aluminum, then you can recycle the aluminum if it's clean, again, no big. But otherwise, it's just gonna get tossed out. Anyway, another thing to note, if you if you do want to recycle your tin foil, crunch it up, it may seem like you want it to be as pristine as possible, but they said that the sheets get caught up in the recycling turnstiles and things and so it's better to have it crumpled up. Which is probably also why you want to crush your cans. Do you crush your cans? I do. You well do? I do when I'm when I'm out with the Hash House Harriers I crushed my hands when I'm really at home. I don't. Okay, my grandma used to and it was like she got well she actually did the smart thing and crushed like, gallons and gallons and gallons of you know bags. Yeah. And took it to the recycling center and got money for it. Well now goes like couple cents per can. Yeah, that's what I'm going to talk about that in a minute too. So, but that those would be reasons why you don't recycle aluminum is I mean, personally from your own house. If it's dirty, just don't do it. But also because it does there are environmental issues with the recycling process. It's something to be aware of, but okay. Why should you recycle aluminum? Number one, it's actually better for the environment than making new aluminum. Okay, this is what I assumed. Yes. The process of extracting pure aluminum from or is extremely energy intensive. I mean, there's a lot of other aspects that go into it. So number one, you have to mind the bauxite, so that usually occurs in tropical and subtropical areas. That's where most of the box ideas are China. According to a little bit of leader 73% of bauxite is found in five countries in the world, including Jamaica, Guinea, Brazil, Australia, and India. Whoa, now mining, it's all a pit mine. So there's concerns about deforestation, water contamination, and of course, human rights violations, right. A lot of the mining that is done in furnance blue, a lot of places said that Guinea has the largest concentration of bauxite ore in the world, but it's usually outside companies that come and do the mining and they don't actually help the local community very much. Well, yeah. There's that from there, the Bauxite ore has to be processed into alumina, which is a white powder to create aluminum. This takes. Yeah, yeah, that was my mind. Yeah. Well, it takes a very high temperatures, and then they have to also use a concentrated toxic soda. And this creates something called red mud, which, according to the Institute of Physics is toxic to humans and the environment because it's extremely corrosive. So they use a toxic corrosion chemical and very high temperatures to separate the alumina from the bauxite, and it's the process of it goes back and forth several times. So then you have to dispose of the red mud properly in a mud disposal area, which means more land and you have to make sure that the mud disposal areas won't allow the alkali So the corrosive elements to get into groundwater. So you have to very much trust that the industry that's doing this is following all the procedures and in certain deregulated areas where perhaps all of this is taking place, that might not be so Wow. But apparently, if it's done properly, aluminum leader says the red mud can be reused as a raw material because the Bauxite turns into different components, and you can get those out of the red mud later. Also, these mud areas can be reclaimed once they're full, by burying the red mud in sand, ash or dirt, and then planting trees and plants growing on top of it. Okay, but still, it's a toxic by seep down into the water. Yeah, it's a concern, right. And then finally, you've got to have another element cryolite to make the right environment for the electrolysis that it takes to make aluminum. It's a rare natural fluoride mineral, they've started making it artificially, I didn't go very deep into the process of how if that's sustainable or not, but it's another environmental impact. There's this other element that you have to eat? Well, I don't think cryolite is an element. It's a missing a fluoride mineral. There we go. Okay. It's a thing. But yeah, it's a thing. And then also, again, high amounts of electricity to create the aluminum from the Illumina. These things always make me wonder who the hell did this first suit scientists in the 19th century, were just running around like crazy. Like, if you look there, they just like let's set something on fire. I mean, like, Oh, this is radioactive. Let me keep it in my bedroom. And keep screwing around. And I mean, it was a great time for science, but it's also like, well, you're losing your hair. Marie Curie, you know? You gotta think electricity. So exciting. You know, you're right. Let's turn this white powder into a showing that Oh, yeah. And call it aluminium. No, aluminum, aluminium, aluminium. You know, it was like, just the Wild West. I mean, literally, that's when the Wild West was so right. Yeah. And they definitely didn't have you know, protective eyewear. Right? This is why those things exist. Those are for forefathers and foremothers walks so we could run without scissors. But yeah. Okay, so there you go. According to Republic Services, recycling aluminum takes 95% less energy than making new cans from raw materials. Whoa, that's huge. That's a pretty big sustainability thing. Also, another reason you want to recycle it aluminum is infinitely recyclable. You can recycle it for the next billion years. If we do that. It doesn't break down during the process. And again, that that can have Lacroix or drinking probably contains aluminum that was created in 1880. Probably. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. It's weird to think about, but it is, it's this product that is so integral in our lives, and it's only existed for 250 years. I know. It's like, what the heck did people drink out of your wooden cup, right? Just leaking all over you coconut shells. Couldn't even have had carbonation. You know, you had to carbonate on the premises. Right? You couldn't you couldn't have originated beer. You couldn't even have Lacroix. What was life, like? Just the word sounds horrible. Well, okay, so there you go. But another reason. And you just touched on this. Basically every state in the US offers some form of aluminum recycling. Okay. You may have to bring it in yourself. But most places have come because it's so easy. It's localized. They have the programs in place. But as you were talking about bottle bills, which are state laws that require recycling facilities to pay people when they bring back certain recyclable goods, you can make money off of it. 10 states have bottle bills currently, you can get cash for cans in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, Oregon and Vermont. Oh, so they used to do it in Indiana, because my grandma did. Yeah, a lot of places got rid of it. But according to Oberg, the state that recycles the most aluminum cans is Michigan. I don't know if that's because they drink the most beer or what but they recycle the most cans and they get money for it. Okay. Now, another reason some, this is back and forth. The scare factor is that there's some concern that we could run out of bauxite ore to make new aluminum within the next 80 years. But most scientists think there are another there are enough other sources of aluminum that we would figure out how to get it out of there because again, it makes up 8% of the earth's core mass. So probably, we're not going to run out of aluminum anytime soon. It's just we're gonna refine new processes to make Get hopefully more efficient, you know, less Miney and less. Yeah, we'll see. We're just gonna take it out of the air. Just kidding. There's no aluminum in there. Yeah, but you said it likes to clean to other things, right? So it's there's so many aluminum, aluminum, aluminum alloys aluminum combinations in the world that yeah, we have lots of options apparently. Okay. As always, we're going to say, when you think about your concerns with aluminum production, and secondary aluminum, which is recycling, those all cause environmental concerns, so use it as sparingly as you can. and reuse it. Some of the ideas that green citizens said were that you can, you know, obviously rinse it, wash it, reuse it. You can also bunch it up and use it to scrub your dishes. Oh, the aluminum foil? Yeah. Oh, it's reusable sponge. Yeah, I was like, it's probably less less gross than reusable sponge. Right. Whoa, interesting. I wonder how long that would last seems like it would fall apart pretty quickly. Yeah, I wonder. But you could also use it to polish your silverware. I mean, there's all kinds of uses for aluminum foil. I know people throw it in their dishwasher. And supposedly it polishes their silverware. Well, yeah. Yeah, there's some interaction that happens. You can like put a piece of aluminum foil in a thing of water and add I forget baking soda or something and leave your silver in it. And it'll remove the what you call it, the green or whatever, oxidation from your server. So that's something Oh, cool. I think I've heard that before. I think I tried that on my like, I tried it once too. And it actually silver. Oh, yes. It's peeled off the outer layer. It was like that thing and then you broke up with whatever boy bought it for you. Did? Good. Anyway, but yeah, America. Put down that Bud Light, pour it out, rinse it out, throw it in your recycling can in your ears like Lincoln, recycling bin, sorry. recycle the cans. And Can Can Can Can Cal cans. You can can recycle can cans. Yeah. So my question is like, you might not have the answer to this. But a lot of people say they try to come up with strategies for like wasting less water while they're rinsing off their recyclables. Especially if you say it's like not even going to do anything like it sounds like if I wanted to recycle lasagna tray, I'd really have to scrub it. And that might not be like is that I wonder if that's worth the water? Well, that's what Green Citizen was saying. If you're already washing dishes, and you're doing the to pan method that we talked about, you know, you might as well you can watch it there too. And that might be worth it. If you're already washing. I mean, like my grandmother's lasagna pan. I'm already watching that. So why not wash the aluminum foil? I put on top of it, right? Yeah, I can wash it so you actually wash your aluminum foil? No, this is ladies and gentlemen. It has poked his head in the door. Hey, dog. He's decided he doesn't. He doesn't want he just wants the door open anyway. Okay, we're gonna leave it open until something crashes in the kitchen. He's lying between my room and my roommates rooms. And you can watch both of us. But my roommate has his door closed and Oh, sad. Boy. He's so ugly. That's why I'm in the basement. I only have spiders to bow Yeah, you're friendly spider. No, Ruby for us to play with. No, it's for the best. Yeah. But yeah, I, I use my grandmother's lasagna pan is like a old cast iron thing. So okay, I watched that. And then why not watch the lasagna topper. You know, while I'm at it, I can scrub that. And but again, there are other things you can use instead of aluminum foil for your lasagna. There's, you know, reusable method. Things You Can Use. Is there. Yes. And I don't have them in here. But I need Oh, no, that's fine. Yeah, there's like paper. Paper because it would catch on fire. But there's, there's there's reusable you can do parchment paper, but I don't know if that's any better. Yeah, it won't be as good as aluminum because like, Yeah, but you can use a lid, you know, like a pan lid. They make them. Okay, so it's interesting. Oh, yeah. Cuz some are covered are like a Dutch oven. Yeah, like a Dutch oven. And then you just Yeah. So look into those methods. Yeah, that's aluminum. That is very interesting. Thank you. Well, now we must rate it on our granola system. Oh my goodness. So we're talking about aluminum recycling, not aluminum itself. And, again, our granola rating system because we're a couple of dirty hippies is on a scale of one to five granolas with one being soggy and five being breaker tooth off because the crunchy or the better. I would give this aluminum recycling. And it's the first one that we're doing with the season. It's either a four or a five, either crunchy or break your tooth off. I say crunchy again, because there are other concerns with the environmental aspects of the process of recycling aluminum that are problematic. Yeah. But the alternative, right, it's so easy to recycle. Yeah, and better than creating new aluminum. So and it's so easy to do. So I kind of want to give it a break your teeth off. Oh, that's so cool. I would agree with that. The only caveat would be does this system even though it works well incentivize people to use more than they would otherwise? And there's a question and again, the same thing we're talking about with plastic. If you don't know that, you can't throw dirty aluminum in the you know, you're just going to gum up the works anyway. So it does it just encourage people again, out of sight out of mind to use more trash, so that might be a four in that sense. It might be a crunchy, okay. Yeah, let's just give it a crunchy because five should really be one of our other fives. Can you think the only one I can think of is DIY laundry detergent? Yeah. Yeah, we didn't even give it to dish or to don't say dishwasher did not dish No, definitely not screw dishwasher detergent, obviously. But we didn't even give it to glass cleaner. Oh, yeah. Glass Cleaner. That was a four. I think it was before. We haven't ever done a three before. Oh, really? Let's find some threes. Yeah, I think we'll have some this season. But yeah, update on my dishwasher. Dirty labs. Shout out to them. Is it working? It works really well. Oh, when it's more expensive than like making you're making it yourself. But it also functions. So actually does this job rushing. I know and I tried today the whole or last night I tried no rinse, no pre rinsing. And it worked. So because on their packaging, it says you don't have to pre rent and I was like, I don't believe it because I've been so screwed. But it actually did work. And I once a week will use like citric acid in my food grade citric acid works for hard water deposits, at least works for me. So like once a week I'll use it maybe once every two weeks. But other than that, like things are good. Also, I am a fan for life. As long as a company is around. I have to a friend of mine texted me the day before our dishwashing detergent one came out. And I was like well I may have some recommendations for you. But I need you to listen to the podcast tomorrow. So I'll text them tomorrow and be like dirty labs dude, because he was like I don't like these water spots on my dishwashing Yes, I know situations that deal you've man. Yep. Awesome. That's so well there you go. Aluminum recycling. It works. Do it America. Do it better. Grunty starting the season off good. Yeah, feels feels good. I'm gonna go throw some beer cans in the trash. Another trash in the recycling. Not that trash. So, what's up next week, Tiffany? Yeah, I'm gonna be talking about paper recycling. We're continuing with our four to horsemen and to these colonies. These are the My Little Ponies. Recycle applet recycle apocalypse. Recycle psychological. Have you seen the Robot Chicken? My Little Pony Apocalypse pony? No. I'll have to send you that. We might have to post it on Instagram too. I love it. I'm pestilence. Oh, yes. I'll have to show it to you. Well, that's definitely plastic. So here we come. Yeah, we're talking about paper paper recycling. So excited. Yes. So that's, that's what's coming up. So there's like work done here. Done a little bit. Um, if you like us, leave us a review. Five stars are great. That's saying anything acceptable review, right. 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