So paper can only be recycled five to seven times. Really? Yes. Why? Because every time it's recycled, it breaks down a little bit. It's like at a certain point, the fibers are just too brittle and it doesn't turn into just a big pile of mush, I guess. Okay, so that kind of sucks. Hi. Hi, Tiffany. How are you? I am doing pretty well. Just the same as I was three minutes ago. Just to inform our audience here. We've recorded two episodes a night usually so you may be hearing the same background noise as you did in a previous episode. You're not hallucinating. Same dog. I still have the same frog in my throat that I'm going to be hacking up now. Yeah, same dog issues. My dog is in the kitchen currently. Yeah. He wants to come in though. My dog is locked upstairs. Yeah, she's she's got a family to deal with. So yeah, well, my dog needs to be locked upstairs because she is a whiner. I don't know if anybody else has a whiny dog. But it is the bane of my existence. Especially if your recordings of my dog's a farter. Which you can't you don't get it over the airwaves. But he has he has a room clearer for sure. Silent but deadly. Yes. Well, they're not silent anymore. either. He's getting Oh, yeah. It's a common occurrence in my house to hear somebody say him it. Oh. Ready. It's cute. I missed this far. It's when I'm gone. All right. Oh, I have a really quick update about White Paper, cardboard and Yes. Talk about a learning process. So all right, everything was going great for weeks and weeks and weeks. And then I decided to buy some petunias. Oh, no. Okay, even unic de Ahmed. Who net petunias? Oh, no. All right, so you know where this is going. Basically created like a trough for the deer. They're like, Hey, this is just throw some nasturtiums in there and there'll be like, the lizard was, well, they're gone. Gone, gone. So we don't have to worry about the petunias anymore. or so. Really, though. There really are. Yes, but so not only are the petunias gone, but the deer decided to eat the hell out of my black eyed Susans, which I also planted and spent a lot of money on. And my Aster to both things I look up and they're like, Oh, definitely your food resistant. resistant. Oh, flies. Yeah. Well, my mother in law was saying that a lot of people have been telling her that the deer are eating things that they don't normally eat this year. And like, what are these? Yeah, these freaking robot like for one welcome. I know you're overloaded. Oh, my God, I'm so mad. Okay, so that happened. And then I'm a moron. And I looked up things, things that you don't want to trust online are things like deers, DIY deer spray. Oh, Lord. How many children did you kill? sacrificed a couple. Their blood? No. So I'm a dingus, and I just didn't think it through but I was paying panic mode, like gotta get the deer gonna get the deer. So one DIY recipe, use essential oils, actually, which is funny, but it was vinegar, straight up vinegar, and peppermint with essential oil, did it. Charlie helped me out there spray spray spray spray spray. And the next day, they were like, the plants are like, guess who doesn't like vinegar? Plants. In hindsight, I just didn't, we'd have caustic and you shouldn't probably use it directly on your skin. Or I think that was your point or your plan. Got it. It was just one of those like, I gotta fix this and I didn't want to go I don't have time to go to the store. So let's just throw some shit in a bottle and spray it and it just didn't work out at all. And I'm sorry. Well, no, some of them might still survive like the ASTER is fine. It's pretty hardy, the Black Eyed Susans just unhappy so I'm probably gonna suck it up and just get new ones but anyway, I'm hopefully gonna get some flowers for these damn. I'm trying to support could you do cinnamon or like chili powder? Well, I ended up just sucking I just ordered are digital direct? Oh, yeah. So I'm, I don't care. I'm using an extra bottle. I ordered it from Amazon. I don't care. So I'm saving these plants because I've been babying them. I've been going out there and watering them and taking care of him making sure talk to them. I talked to them. Like yeah they're all very well versed in Grimms fairy tales. They love Yeah, they love Hansel and Gretel. So anyway, that's, that's my update. It's, it's been an adventure. But you know, I have heard the best gardener is the one who kills the most plants. Because you have to experiment you have to live and learn. And yeah, because bakers don't want to throw away the most cookies. So exactly. And you could never trust a skinny cook. I've heard all of the proverbs. Yes. Yeah. So that's my update. Wow. It's gonna bounce back and it's gonna be great. One day. I can't wait for actual photos. God. Yeah. Now they'd be really ugly. They were already seeing them. Just everything's like tripled. But yeah. Oh, yeah. We'll get there. Next year. Yeah. Nothing else. Well, on that note, what are we actually supposed to be talking about tonight? Good question. Did you forget? No, no, no, I remember. Okay. I was just trying to mute myself. It was like, I needed to clear my throat out. clear my throat and hoping you'll edit it out. It's fair, just trying to mute myself. But it's like, minimize to where I can't tell which is which? We're talking about paper recycling today? I do remember? And I do. No, excellent. It's great. I can't wait. I'm really interested to learn about this. Yeah, I was really interested because of like, all the Amazon boxes that everybody gets these days, not just Amazon, but anywhere. I mean, yeah. I mean, it's not like it slowed down after the pandemic. It's like, we're all still getting stuff delivered all the time. Absolutely. So buckle up. So about my a little bit about my sources, so I use citizen sustainable.com I think you use them for aluminum, but they know I think there's a lot of like, yeah, citizen green Saturday, right? Oh, that might have been it. Yeah. People love their citizen plus eco friendly term. Yes. Yeah. I'm on recycling paper and recycling cardboard, two different articles, and science focused.com, which is a BBC thing. They they had an article is recycling paper bad for the environment. And tree hug tree. hugger.com also had an article basically the same topic. It was pretty interesting. Reuters, there's just a quick story I'm telling you about a billionaire named Robert Kraft and his paper mill, ooh, little neighborhood paper mill in the pollution of the year. Green america.org talks about landfill methane, and methane produced by paper being in the landfill. The NIH talks about toxic surfactants used during recycling. Cal recycle.com. Talks about totally chlorine free recycling processes. UNICEF, I looked at I found an article by UNICEF about how to reduce your paper use and they had some kind of cool ideas. And then green matters. They talk about reducing your cardboard use. So we're gonna get into all of that. A little bit about paper to start. I was telling cat before the episodes. Then I went a little light on the research on this one because I was like, I usually get too heavy, too heavy, too much. And I literally wrote paper hyphen, thin paperboard, hyphen, a bit thicker so that's called cardboard. This is really deep. This is some lowest common denominator shit you're doing here. What is paper? I don't know if you've heard of it. Probably like in 10 years you'd be like What are they talking about? Maybe actually, and then I also follow it up with paper cardboard thick you know what it is? Well done, man. Well done. Well, the in depth research it grating up my act. I did great research on it. Okay, but okay, the interesting thing is, well, first off the way it's made, it's I don't have like, all the details but it's funny because aluminum is made with such an intense process process you need like Electricity. I mean, you need electricity for obviously everything. Yeah, everything but paper is made by like, mashing up. Yeah. Would like some trees into a bulb and then flattening it out and turning into paper. Have you seen? Yeah wallplate Yeah. Have you ever made your own paper? Maybe maybe in like school? Yeah, we did for like Earth Day one time and like, took some newspaper, put it in a blender with a water and then laid it out flat to dry. put flowers on it like the paper. Yes. It's so easy. It is. Did you actually use it? I don't think so. I think bumpy that you're happy birthday, grandma. Let me write over this. Over this violet. This favorite? Yeah. But yeah, it's true. It's like it's not a very complicated process. But the interesting thing the EPA said in 2018, which was also the EPA needs to get up on its stats. I think they were decimated. Ah, last few years. I don't think there is making sense to kind of don't exist as much as they used to. Yeah, I had fun times. Oh, hey, yeah, anyway, it would be nice if we had more recent stats, but in 2018, paper and paperboard which they refer to as cardboard, other places, that's called paperboard like they differentiate between Yeah, more like a cereal box. Like yeah, Chip cardboard is sometimes what paper cardboard is referred to to. Oh, I don't know. Why have you heard that? I'll look it up while you keep you keep talking to let me throw my phone on the earth. You're firing on all cylinders? Tonight. Siren. fibrin flung my slipper across the room. On free I go. All right. I'm gonna look up cheap cardboard while you keep going. Okay, so paper basically, paper materials comprise the largest component of municipal solid waste. Oh, wow. Isn't it crazy? So like most waste in a landfill is cardboard or paper, even though they're recyclable, even though so? But but there's that but there's actually less of it heading to the landfill each year currently than from like, 1960. Oh, well, that's good to know. Well, it's been interesting even though the presentation has increased in it. Okay. Yeah, we chipboard is a packaging product made from wood pulp. It's thicker and sturdier than a sheet of paper. Doesn't have the corrugated channels inside the most cardboard does. So okay, okay, board that's shipboard. That's what your cereal boxes and things are made from. Okay. They called it paperboard. But it does it's probably the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. cardboards usually corrugated which we all know what that is. So a bit about recycling paper. So not all paper is recyclable. When you think about it, it's kind of obvious. Like I looked at my county, and our recycling center does not accept windowed envelopes. So because the plastic Yeah, I wonder if you could just take the plant, you probably would just take the plastic you do. That's smart. I think I throw it all in. And then it just I have in the past. And then somebody told me that it was like boom, boom. Yeah, if you separate it out anyway. Yeah. So and some of them don't have the little window. They are just they don't have the plastic. It's just a window and I'm like, that one's fine. Why do we need a wind? Why do we need plastic anyway? Moving on. So your check doesn't fall out? I don't know. Yeah. Wax paper, at least in my county, you can't paper towels, napkins, paper plates, laminated paper and paper that can't be easily torn. None of these are recyclable in my area. Okay. Which is helpful to know because I think I've put all of these things into my recycling definitely finished a wine and cheese party and everybody has put their paper plate into the recycling. And I'm like, Yeah, especially if it's dirty. It's not gonna get recycled, but I mean, so that's the thing. You need to look up your county. So each county has a website, and it should tell you as long as you have a recycling, you know, what the Austin obviously does, we're way ahead of the times. Right, right. Yeah, so but you can look it up. So it's that is actually kind of important to do because otherwise it's just gonna get I don't know it just clogs up the system and you don't just throw in the trash if it isn't recyclable. Yeah. Yeah, well, that too. It also must be clean and dry. And that one interesting thing I found is if it gets wet, you can dry it out wet with like water oil is different but you can dry ate out before you recycle it and it's recyclable. I was always I always wondered that. But yeah, that's totally an option. So just sit in the sun for a minute. Oh, yeah. So paper can only be recycled five to seven times. Really? Yes. Why? Because every time it's recycled, it breaks down a little bit. So at the end of its life, it's made into things like a egg cartons or newspapers, okay, and those in, okay, you can actually recycle a newspaper, but, but then it's like, at a certain point, the fibers are just too brittle, and it doesn't turn into just a big pile of mush, I guess. Okay, so that kind of sucks. It's not infinite, like aluminum. Yeah, well, aluminum is superior. Although the amazing thing is, recycling rates are better. So these are the 2018 EPA recycling rates. They're better than aluminum because aluminum was like 50%, right? Yeah. And so paper and paperboard is 68%. Newspapers are 65%. But then you Oh, incorrect. corrugated boxes are the king and 97%. Wow. Which is like, pretty good. That is a go Amazon, I guess. Yeah. And Amazon actually has an option that I'll get into a little bit later that can help you reduce your Amazon impact. Okay. But then pay pay per containers and packaging that not including corrugated boxes to only 21%. So like your box of your box that comes in your everything comes in a box? I don't know. Like your makeup container comes in a box. That kind of stuff doesn't get recycled. Interesting. I mean, I make a point of it. Even though I have to walk from my bathroom to the kitchen, you know? Yeah, maybe like maybe that's why, because it's just easier to throw it in the trash. Yeah. Interesting. Well, I also thought, and maybe you'll get into this, but I thought chipboard or paperboard wasn't recyclable. But it just depends on what county you are in or think so. Yes. It's not always. So yeah, it really depends on where you live. So let's start with Okay, so those are the recycling rates. They're pretty good for paper, but like I said, huge. Yeah, but it's only five to seven times. Interesting. So why not recycle? I'm doing the exact same thing you did, man. Full disclosure. I looked at yours first and saw how you outline. Okay, I was like mine. I was like, did we just do that accidentally? That's so amazing. Oh, yeah. Total mind meld. Yeah, we're Oh yeah. simpatico I love it. Okay, so why not recycle paper? So there are toxic surfactants as I mentioned, that they do ink the paper during recycling? Of course. Yeah. Because you have to get the ink off and the graphics and whatever. And then paper pulp pulp is also bleached to add brightness. So, you know, they use bleach and manufacturing setting bleach is not great. Yeah, we know that from our bleach episode. Yes. We're just like, we keep muting and coughing, muting and taking turns coughing, sad. We're sick again. It's dying. It's fine. Um, but the use of chlorine has decreased over the years. And it's been replaced by what Cal recycle.com calls totally chlorine free processes. So they're still bleaching it, but now with chlorine bleach, I guess so. Yeah, I didn't OxiClean UV maybe? No, I don't know any bleaching methods that we've discussed on the show Sun bleaching, lemons. Lemons. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what they are using these days, but apparently it's not chlorine. So okay, good. Another thing about recycling paper, it produces a sludge that ends up in landfills. So that's not delicious. But yeah, so there's always going to be some kind of byproduct right? Also papers easily contaminated. So it's like get any kind of oil on it get any kind of run food on it. And it's like you're not absorbed. Yeah, for Yeah, it's not you can you can't rinse it like aluminum foil. Yes. Another really interesting thing is that BBC science focus says modern paper mills normally generate their energy from burning waste wood, so wood that would otherwise be thrown away. So that's like a paper mill producing new paper, whereas recycling plants often rely on electricity from fossil fuels. So we'll burn wood is a fossil fuel, but it's not like us it's not oil or gas. Interesting. So I wonder if it's half a dozen one six of the other? Because you don't I mean burning wood? Cause right burning woods not great either, I guess. But it's different than burning, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. But I found that kind of interesting. But I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, because I'm gonna go into why recycle. And there's a lot of reasons why we want to recycle paper. Okay. So it uses about 50% less water and 60% less energy than creating new paper products. So no matter how the energy's being, you know, where the energy is coming from, there's a 60% less of it, to recycle. Okay. And treehugger says the pulp and paper industry uses more water to produce a ton of product than any other industry. So the water usage is really bad, which makes sense because you got to turn it into a pulp. Yeah. Well, I mean, of course, I sit here looking at my bullet journal. guiltily. Right. I'm also a paper planner, kind of you and I are, we're both Journalers and I mean, we're writers. There's something about my pin stash here. I know. Oh, it's pretty. Thank you. And books too. Okay. No books. Okay. Yeah, it's I'm not I'm not a Kindler. For the most part, I have a very old one for me. I have went yeah, for traveling. Sometimes. It's nice. Especially you're gonna be gone for a long time. And you don't want to carry a bunch of books with you. But I prefer paper books for Yes, me too. I'm gonna old school. Romantic. Well, so I have good news for you there later. Oh, goody. Which you already know, but it's, you know, making connecting the dots here. But so science focus says that there's 74% less air pollution created when recycling paper than making new paper. Oh, and this is where that billionaire comes in. It's kind of an interesting story. This is just an example of a new, like, paper manufacturer. So not a recycling plant. And first off the EPA identifies methanol, all of these hazardous air pollutants like formaldehyde. Oh, yikes. S sat down that hide acetyl aldehyde or whatever? Yeah. Oh, you know how to say it. I just ended up okay. So they were in. So paper plants emit large quantities of all of these things. And there are limits like that, like, there are limits to how much they're supposed to be able to put into the air. But in 2021, which was very recent, billionaire Robert Kraft, probably from I don't know if he's from crap like a craft. He was sued for a large release of hydrogen sulfide, a gas that smells like rotten eggs. Let me make sure I cite this source. Oh, this is a Reuters article. smells like rotten eggs and causes headaches and even death in concentrated doses like God. So he had this paper No, that I think this article said that it was like the biggest polluter in the country. Wow. And just for fun, just for funsies. Well, so he bought this paper mill and I think it got way worse because I don't know he changed some stuff and made it worse. And so there have been like federal and state orders to reduce its emissions button. The article says quote, and however no regulatory action has been taken against the mill for really releasing sit or small particulates at levels exceeding Mills run by larger rivals and by the country's largest oil refineries. Oh, my God, oil refineries. Dude, you're making paper? Yes. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. So making new paper is not great. Definitely something we need to chill out with our usage. And so I mentioned that recycling paper also uses chemicals. But despite that recycled paper has a lower chemical impact than producing paper from virgin materials. Okay. So why else recycle? So this was really interesting. paper in a landfill because of the way there's no oxygen getting into it, because it's just shoved down under you know, tons of stuff. Hmm, it's going to be broken down by organisms that produce methane, of course. And if it wasn't going to be broken down in that way, there would be no methane produced. And the EPA identifies paper as one of the largest sources of landfill methane. Oh, isn't that crazy? I never thought about that. Because we think paper is biodegradable. Right? One of our favorite words, because everything's biodegradable. Let's be honest. Yeah. Well, isn't that crazy? And then treehugger says, one tonne of paper in a landfill will turn into 1.38 tonnes of co2 equivalents. Well, because it's multiplying. Yeah, almost doubling or then the original. Yeah. Wow. Okay, isn't that crazy? And then in 2018, paper and paperboard made up 11, almost 12% of the municipal solid waste in US landfills. Cheesy cheesy, just paper and yeah, right out there. Wow. Okay. So recycling is? Well, I'll get into that in a minute. I'm gonna talk about compost real quick. So, tree huggers says, if you were okay, you can compost your paper. Okay, in like a home paper facility or if your city or county runs as composting program. I compost Just Between Us chickens. My paper towels that don't have you know, too much oil on them and or Windex and other paper products that can't be recycled. Like I thought chipboard couldn't be it looks like an Austin it can be but okay. I couldn't I would compost my chipboard. Okay. Yeah. So what treehugger is saying is that composting only cuts down on landfill emissions, which is not a bad thing. But it doesn't offset the Virgin paper production. Yeah. So it's not being put back into the system to be reused, right. But they have advice if you do compost, use paper and other sort of like composting in general, but put paper with the other brown materials, like leaves in a 5050 ratio with the green materials like scraps, and then that should maximize the performance. So you can compost it. It's not Yeah, it's not a bad thing. It's just not being recycled to be used again. Right? Lonely five, seven times. So yeah, let's be honest, at the end of its life, I mean napkins and things that can't be recycled. When Yeah, or newspapers toward the end of its life egg cartons as those are probably I don't even know if there's recyclable those paper egg cartons. Yeah, I wonder does I probably compost. Put them with your eggs? Yeah, you probably could. That's not a bad bad use. Oh, I did read a lot of cardboard. People always say like, oh, just put it in your garden bottle. A lot of it actually has a lot of chemicals in it. So keep that in mind. Yeah. Somebody was gonna be seeping into groundwater. When you make sure you take all the tape off, like, yes. Yeah, stick. And we'll get into how to recycle paper and cardboard best. Okay. Okay, what about cardboard? So I didn't look a ton into cardboard. Because again, I was feeling a little lazy. Maybe I don't know what it was. I'm just busy. Okay. But I did want to know, like I said, I was curious about the Amazon boxes. So 80% of products bought in the EU in the US are covered in cardboard. First off, okay. E percent. And if your cardboard has food residue, like we said, you it's going to end up in the landfill. Yeah, you're just you're not you're not going to do anything with it. So think twice about that. Takeout pizza. Is that and so that would be true of like coffee cups to then oh, like paper coffee cups? Yeah, I would think so. Because most of them or plastic line to I wonder if they're looking. Yeah, so that is kind of tricky. And I think it depends on the area. But what I wrote was if your cardboard has food residue, oils, lots of tape, which we'll get into foam peanuts or plastic delivery labels like from I don't know what is it FedEx has those big plastic labels. Then it's gonna going in the landfill even Okay, cardboard, so Oh, and then I wrote not all recycling centers except thin cardboard like cereal boxes. Um, do I think mine does? I think it does because it wasn't. I just saw us I just Googled Austin's and I think it does. So I didn't lie to somebody told me I had to put it in compost. I mean, that's the thing. It's so confusing because there's no federal law. It's like whatever. or community can support is what they manage. But yeah, yeah, it's frustrating. And then some recycling centers can actually process wax covered cardboards. I mean, that's kind of what you're wondering. Yeah. And I was thinking like, we sometimes get milk in the wax covered. CART, half gallons. Yeah. And I was always, I was always confused. And I guess our I should look it up actually, because I'm not 100% Yeah, I wonder if my coconut milk jug can get. Yeah. And then. Okay, so cardboard is pretty easy to recycle. And it's actually it's like very recyclable, recycle friendly. And it will get recycled into either paper bags, paper towels, tissues, regular paper or more cardboard. But again, cardboard, you can only recycle five to seven times. Right? I thought that was only paper. I was like, No. Garberville it's all paper products. I wonder how they tell that it's been? I don't know. Like all this is your third round buddy. Race to more on you're going into the landfill. Each little fiber has like a tally on it. Yeah, you can see it no money, microscope. Tattoos. Okay, on to should you recycle paper and cardboard from four perspectives? So let's look at the greenhouse gas perspective. Yes, because it emits less. From the chemical pollution perspective. Yes, because it produces fewer, or uses fewer chemicals. From a water perspective, yes, but both do use a lot of water. So recycling uses 12,000 gallons per ton of water to recycle it. And then to create it from Virgin uses 24,000 gallons. Okay, so it's half, it's half. So that's significant, but it's still a lot. That's 12,000 gallons. And from a deforestation perspective, yes. Because it doesn't contribute to deforestation. Okay. So overall, yes, you should keep doing it. America, you're already doing it. Just keep it up. Yeah. And honestly, coming into this sort of four part recycling series, I expected it all to be like, Don't bother. It's stupid. So I feel like I because like I said, because I have read so many articles about how the system is broken. I just expected all of it to be broken. But it's like, oh, no, actually papers really important to recycle. However, done done. Well, it's actually not not that bad. Okay. But I'm just changing gears because really, the issue is we have to remember reduce, reuse, recycle in that order. Hi, folks, I am having to hop on here during editing because I realized that I forgot to include a granola rating. And we can't go another week without our dose of granola goodness. So if you're new here, each episode we rate products on a scale from one to five granolas and the crunchy or the better, because obviously, so you know, one is bad one is soggy. And then five is amazing. And it's a break your tooth off kind of granola. So I ran this by cat for her take and I decided to rate paper recycling a 3.5 which is kind of cheating. But so three is chewy, which isn't great, but it's not bad. And then four is crunchy. So cat rated aluminum recycling a four because it's endlessly recyclable. And I knew that I just couldn't rate paper the same because you can only recycle it like a handful of times. So anyway, we're going 3.5 So it's not bad. It's not the best out there and it's always better to reduce. Okay, back to the regular show. So, everywhere, all of the things online said reduce the amount of paper you use, and I was like, Okay, can you tell me how Yeah, he's I'm already not printing anything. Yeah, so I googled it because I figured everybody else is gonna be like, if I just sit here and say use less paper everybody they're gonna be annoyed because I would be. So I found some pretty cool ideas. And one of them is a really easy and cheap way you do have to pay for dollars but supported by the FTC. See The Federal Trade Commission? FTC as a Federal Trade Commission, yeah. That's what I said. Didn't you hear me? Yeah. So they have a website, and it's going to be in the show notes to options, how to stop junk mail. There's a link you can follow. And you can sign up for getting less mail from marketers. And those magazines. Yes. And stopping credit card and insurance offers in the mail. I definitely have signed up for that. Okay, so there's that those are the two options, then less mail is $4. But it's $4 for life, so it's permanent. Maybe if you I don't know, if you move actually that I think I'll pay another $4. If I move, it's fine. You know, just don't get that Starbucks cold brew that one day. Yeah, exactly. So we'll have that link because it's it. I think that's a really cool service because I get like a stack of junk paper in the mail every week. And it's really annoying. And that's seems like an easy way. So all I can try to remember to keep everybody updated on if it actually makes a difference. But so another thing avoid paper towels when possible. Hey, we have a show about that. We have a whole episode. Yeah, we haven't. Um, paper towels episode, I think wasn't our first one. Yeah, I think it was episode one. Yeah. So go back and listen. Yes. So then about books, buy used books. Okay. Right, a little bit of a data. But it's sometimes you don't think about it, because I used to work for a used bookstore. And I feel like these stores are hidden gems, and they're unfortunately hidden. It's like, I don't know why, but I never thought about it before. Before of use bookstores. Yeah. I had visited them. But I never really thought about like getting most of my books from these places. Because it depends on the quality and the stores. Yeah, sometimes aren't that great, right? And you'd like Pulp Fiction or whatever. Like, you're not necessarily going to find the latest Pulitzer Prize winning novel, right? But but you might I mean, if you get lucky, I always use it when I was like a poor grad student, I would go to the US bookstore down the street. And that's what I got everyone for Christmas. Yes, use books. That's what I did when I was working there. So yeah, all you have to do is search us bookstore on Google. And you'll most likely find like several near us Half Price Books here in Austin down south. And yeah, there's a bunch of them. I mean, okay. I'm gonna I'm going to promote the best use bookstore in the world. Your Public Library people. They're amazing. I don't even have it on here. I go to the library all the time. No, it's true, though. That is, number one, for sure. I will also promote if you really need to buy this book, or buy a book. Wonder book is the one that I used to work at. They do online shipping, and it's free. So it's like everybody thinks, oh, Amazon, but there's still bookstores. I mean, Amazon was fun fact, specifically created to try and put bookstores out of business. And yeah, she's pretty evil with a premise. It is I hear Barnes and Nobles bouncing back. And that's actually like, I feel really good about that. Even though Barnes and Noble. It's almost also a conglomerate bookstore. Yeah. Yeah. I love they're still local. But like, we have booked people here in Austin. There's page one books in Albuquerque. I know. Like, these are great. And they sell us books, too. Usually, they sell both. So yes. So but library 100%. Absolutely. Yeah. So if you you if you do use Amazon or other delivery services, although it's good to cut down but we aren't perfect. You can do a couple things. One, choose Amazon day for your delivery day, and then they'll compete. If they're fulfilled by Amazon, you can check on the page on the listing. If they're all fulfilled by Amazon, they will combine them in one package if they're not if they're like images, or they're fulfilled by amazon.com. That means it's like a third party vendor it's probably gonna be shipped from elsewhere. Do weekend. Yeah. Green matters talks about frustration free packaging. Have you ever seen this option on Amazon? I have and I didn't know what it was. And I assumed that it was stupid, but it's actually kind of cool because they basically ship it to you. You know, you usually get a box in a box in a box. Yeah, they ship it to you. I think in the original box, or like a smaller recycle recyclable box without all the bubble wrap with all out all the extra stuff. So they're saving money as a company and you have less crap. Yeah, they just do that naturally. I I don't understand. I don't know. I think people I don't know. It's like maybe maybe they just had the factories have like certain size boxes and they only like no thought goes into it. It's just put it in the box, put it in them, because I know that Amazon workers have to put so many things and they pickers have to do so much with it. Right? Yes, I've already thoughtless kind of thing, right? They just gotta get through it. Yeah, I think it's a little bit more work upfront for them. But not everything offers frustration free packaging, but if you do see it, use it because it's, it's kind of a cool thing. It's a win win. Yeah. UNICEF had this really random, really off the wall. Recommendation. Use font, the font, if you need to print something off, use Garamond instead of Times New Roman, because it's Lessing. It has the equipment. This is a quote from UNICEF, it has the equivalent of a 10 point font rendered on a 12 point line while still being legible. Okay, yeah. So I think it means it's just smaller yet, but it looks bigger. Yeah, it's still legible at 10. The font designers, so I'm assuming that means if you have to print off a shitload of pages, you're going to be printing less. Yeah, it'll because it'll do it. So it looks like a 12 point font, but it's on a 10 point. It's a 10 point font. Yes. So yeah, you'll be you can fit more on the page. Yeah. Okay, kids, if you're writing your college paper, I don't think anybody prints college papers anymore. If they tell you to write five pages use Times New Roman, no, Garamond No, no, if you're just writing it and sending it over email, or whatever, it'll be remember, because he used to do the 2.25 spacing there, like it's double spaced, and you're like, that was always so stressful. You're like, Please fit. Get to the place just be five pages. And you'd get to four and three quarters and just be like, Alright, 12.5 font 2.2 spacing, we got five. Turn it in. Although let's be honest, kids are just using AI to write everything these days. Well, they apparently all lit up. Okay. tree huggers says when you must buy paper look for 100% postconsumer recycled paper to support the value of recycled commodities. And that is my paper recycling Epson. I love it. Some out of the end up longer than your aluminum one with this. We talked, we talked for days and days about your plants. Probably that's true. We chat there. And then we had several moments of clearing our throats on mute and laughing at each other for it sounds true. That's your that all good. But oh, that was great. I and we, we we spoke for the library. And I think anytime you can speak for the library is a good time. No. For real, though. They're actually under attack. And it's very upsetting. It's so upsetting. They're so important. But yeah, if I didn't have the library, I don't think I would be a sane mother. To be honest. No minor. So great. Yeah, just take her there for two hours. And it's like, oh, I can't go up. So what's happening next week? Next week, I believe we are talking about glass recycling, which would be our third horsemen of the recycle apocalypse. Yeah. And this we're really getting this is probably famine or pestilence. We're really getting into I'm not I don't know, we haven't I haven't done the research yet. Right. Plastic is death as we're saying plastic is death. 100%. But yeah, I think glass recycling because I know. That's a problem for a lot of places. So I will report back next week. The good news is we're also going to have an episode a bit later in the season, a mini episode about how to reuse jars. Yeah. Can we easily I can I've been experimenting for years and really good tricks and tips. Okay, well, I need to learn them because my roommate has a stash. And I'm like, why don't we just recycle these. A hoarder, I have a jar or there's a lot of jars. And I don't know where the lids are half the time. Oh, yeah. Well, you can buy new ones, but Well, yeah, good to know. All right. Well, thank you, Tiffany. Thank you, Kat. And thank you to our listeners. Oh, yes. By the way. Follow us on Instagram. We are greening up my act. You can find us there we will have I don't know the apocalypse pony clip. Possibly that's from last week. But we'll see what we have up there this week. But Tiffany always has a wealth of wonderful things to post and we share a lot of information about news that we find out and people that we like following so follow us on Instagram. Yes, whatever cool stuff I come across and I'm like, oh sweet. You can grow strawberries from slicing a strawberry and half It makes more sense, but I didn't think about it. Yeah, that's 100% Yeah. Good stuff. Good. Or whatever you're listening to this Have a good one. Whatever it is a good one. Shoot. This thing is all blocked.